MOROCCON QURAN CASE OR MUSKET POWDER/FLINT HOLDER

BANDOOK · 18th August 2015, 11:31 AM

A VINTAGE HANDMADE MOROCCAN BRASS AND SILVER QURAN CASE IN GOOD CONDITION , THE HEIGHT OF THE CASE IS 15.5CM X WIDTH 12CM– COULD SOMEONE TELL ME IF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH MUSKETS OR FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE,CHEERS RAJESH

Kubur · 18th August 2015, 04:43 PM

Hi Rajesh,
It's a very good question.
Most of the so-called Quran cases are in fact ammunition boxes.
A kind of Moroccan palaska...
Good catch
Best wishes,
Kubur

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 18th August 2015, 05:39 PM

These are Quran cases. Moroccan. I would be very surprised to discover they were dual purpose as bullet carrying boxes. The Bullet box is another dimension altogether being much smaller....and can be found on Library..at http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...oroccan+bullet

Please see https://images.search.yahoo.com/sear...e&fr=chr-yo_gc

The Hirz or lucky charm box as worn by Omani silver wearers....women...is usually closed with pitch so as not to lose the written verse if carried in the box...In the case of the Moroccan Quran carrying case ...it being much larger...an entire Quran can be carried...but I cannot see how it could have a secondary use...for ammunition.

A Moroccan Bullet box will magically appear here in a moment....

please see https://images.search.yahoo.com/sear...fp&fr2=piv-web Third row down and 4th from the left.

The frontal design of the #1 project item is as for the Moroccan religious carpet and on the reverse is a geometric figure 5 format (hand of Fatima related) which is Talismanic.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

ward · 19th August 2015, 12:29 AM

here is a different style. This one is enameled.

Kubur · 19th August 2015, 05:53 AM

Hi Ibrahim,

Some of these boxes were Quran cases, some of them were bullet containers, I didn't say that they had dual purpose.
Yes, the Quran cases are much larger.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...oroccan+bullet

I'm aware of this thread as I opened it.

A Moroccan Bullet box will magically appear here in a moment....
please see https://images.search.yahoo.com/sear...fp&fr2=piv-web Third row down and 4th from the left.

Wrong, it's a grease or oil box, Ottoman, probably Turkish or Balkanic, see the link above.

For the symbols, talismanic or not, you can have symbols on religious items or weapons. It's the same with religious inscriptions found frequently on Islamic blades.

Best,
Kubur

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 19th August 2015, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Ibrahim,

Some of these boxes were Quran cases, some of them were bullet containers, I didn't say that they had dual purpose.
Yes, the Quran cases are much larger.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...oroccan+bullet

I'm aware of this thread as I opened it.

A Moroccan Bullet box will magically appear here in a moment....
please see https://images.search.yahoo.com/sear...fp&fr2=piv-web Third row down and 4th from the left.

Wrong, it's a grease or oil box, Ottoman, probably Turkish or Balkanic, see the link above.

For the symbols, talismanic or not, you can have symbols on religious items or weapons. It's the same with religious inscriptions found frequently on Islamic blades.

Best,
Kubur

Salaams Kuber, I see... So do Moroccans use Quran boxes as bullet boxes? The one I illustrate had a six pointed star on it so I assume this style was used in Morocco...notwithstanding that they used Quran holders for that purpose...? Im just off to Morocco to have a look...

I agree about symbols on stuff... weapons, jewellery etc are covered in these inscriptions... I just cant see these boxes being used for carrying bullets??...However please illustrate this.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 19th August 2015, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ward

here is a different style. This one is enameled.

Salaams Ward... The technique along the North African Coast particularly Algeria was Cloisonne...or enamel work often seen in Algerian sword hilts as well... In this case a Hirz or lucky charm box...or for a miniature Quran. Interesting with 5 danglers on the lower edge...hand of Fatima style...

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

rickystl · 22nd August 2015, 05:53 PM

Hi Bandook.
I agree with others here that your's is likely for carrying a Quran. All the bullet containers I've seen are shaped differently, are slightly smaller, and most important have a loop on the back to attach to a belt so it stays put while on horseback. Here's a couple pics of bullet containers attached to a belt for size comparison.
Rick.

BANDOOK · 23rd August 2015, 05:39 AM

THANKS AND NICE BELT AND PALASKA,CHEERS

18th August 2015, 05:39 PM	#3
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	These are Quran cases. Moroccan. I would be very surprised to discover they were dual purpose as bullet carrying boxes. The Bullet box is another dimension altogether being much smaller....and can be found on Library..at http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...oroccan+bullet Please see https://images.search.yahoo.com/sear...e&fr=chr-yo_gc The Hirz or lucky charm box as worn by Omani silver wearers....women...is usually closed with pitch so as not to lose the written verse if carried in the box...In the case of the Moroccan Quran carrying case ...it being much larger...an entire Quran can be carried...but I cannot see how it could have a secondary use...for ammunition. A Moroccan Bullet box will magically appear here in a moment.... please see https://images.search.yahoo.com/sear...fp&fr2=piv-web Third row down and 4th from the left. The frontal design of the #1 project item is as for the Moroccan religious carpet and on the reverse is a geometric figure 5 format (hand of Fatima related) which is Talismanic. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 18th August 2015 at 06:06 PM.

19th August 2015, 12:29 AM	#4
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	here is a different style. This one is enameled. Attached Images

22nd August 2015, 05:53 PM	#8
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Hi Bandook. I agree with others here that your's is likely for carrying a Quran. All the bullet containers I've seen are shaped differently, are slightly smaller, and most important have a loop on the back to attach to a belt so it stays put while on horseback. Here's a couple pics of bullet containers attached to a belt for size comparison. Rick. Attached Images

18th August 2015, 11:31 AM	#1
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	MOROCCON QURAN CASE OR MUSKET POWDER/FLINT HOLDER A VINTAGE HANDMADE MOROCCAN BRASS AND SILVER QURAN CASE IN GOOD CONDITION , THE HEIGHT OF THE CASE IS 15.5CM X WIDTH 12CM– COULD SOMEONE TELL ME IF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH MUSKETS OR FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE,CHEERS RAJESH Attached Images

18th August 2015, 04:43 PM	#2
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Rajesh, It's a very good question. Most of the so-called Quran cases are in fact ammunition boxes. A kind of Moroccan palaska... Good catch Best wishes, Kubur

19th August 2015, 05:53 AM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Ibrahim, Some of these boxes were Quran cases, some of them were bullet containers, I didn't say that they had dual purpose. Yes, the Quran cases are much larger. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...oroccan+bullet I'm aware of this thread as I opened it. A Moroccan Bullet box will magically appear here in a moment.... please see https://images.search.yahoo.com/sear...fp&fr2=piv-web Third row down and 4th from the left. Wrong, it's a grease or oil box, Ottoman, probably Turkish or Balkanic, see the link above. For the symbols, talismanic or not, you can have symbols on religious items or weapons. It's the same with religious inscriptions found frequently on Islamic blades. Best, Kubur

23rd August 2015, 05:39 AM	#9
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	THANKS AND NICE BELT AND PALASKA,CHEERS