Indonesian jambiya

Marcus · 27th October 2014, 12:42 AM

Artzi of Oriental Arms described this as:
“This Indonesian dagger in the style of an Arab Jambiya is likely to have come from Sumatra or Mentawi islands. This style of dagger is sometimes referred to as a Beladau.”

Comments?

Guesses on whether it would have been made for a native or someone originally from Arabia?

Guesses on age?

Marcus

Sajen · 27th October 2014, 10:23 AM

Hello Marcus,

I've seen this handle style by blades from the lesser Sunda islands like Lombok and Sumbawa.

I doubt that it is a Mentawai dagger.

Regards,
Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 27th October 2014, 02:21 PM

Jambiyo are known in Indonesia, I have two of them, one quite small and rather rough, the other large and of fine quality.

The small one is probably from Sumatera, the large one probably from Jawa.

Marcus · 27th October 2014, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

I've seen this handle style by blades from the lesser Sunda islands like Lombok and Sumbawa....

With what style of blade?

Sajen · 27th October 2014, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus

With what style of blade?

I've seen this sort of hilt with short pedang blades. I have a hilt in similar style in my collection but without blade. Will post some pictures later.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 27th October 2014, 07:53 PM

Here my handle, approx. 14 cm high.

Marcus · 27th October 2014, 09:08 PM

I see the similarity in the hilt of course, but to me the interesting question is whether the jambiya-like blade is indicative of a cross cultural effect.

blue lander · 27th October 2014, 09:38 PM

I recently saw a similar jambiya but I can't post the URL because its ongoing. It's completely unadorned and undecorated. The scabbard looks like someone cut a cows horn lengthwise and the hilt is likewise just a horn knob. The blade is jambiya shaped but it has no "spine".

Marcus · 27th October 2014, 09:48 PM

More differences than similarities in my opinion. BTW the scabbard on mine is wood.

Marcus · 17th January 2016, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Marcus,

I've seen this handle style by blades from the lesser Sunda islands like Lombok and Sumbawa.

I doubt that it is a Mentawai dagger.

Regards,
Detlef

There is indeed a picture of a sword from Sumbawa with a similar hilt on page 135 of the Van Zonneveld book.

27th October 2014, 12:42 AM	#1
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	Indonesian jambiya Artzi of Oriental Arms described this as: “This Indonesian dagger in the style of an Arab Jambiya is likely to have come from Sumatra or Mentawi islands. This style of dagger is sometimes referred to as a Beladau.” Comments? Guesses on whether it would have been made for a native or someone originally from Arabia? Guesses on age? Marcus Attached Images

27th October 2014, 07:53 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Here my handle, approx. 14 cm high. Attached Images

27th October 2014, 09:08 PM	#7
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	blade vs hilt I see the similarity in the hilt of course, but to me the interesting question is whether the jambiya-like blade is indicative of a cross cultural effect.

27th October 2014, 09:48 PM	#9
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	Similar? More differences than similarities in my opinion. BTW the scabbard on mine is wood.

27th October 2014, 10:23 AM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hello Marcus, I've seen this handle style by blades from the lesser Sunda islands like Lombok and Sumbawa. I doubt that it is a Mentawai dagger. Regards, Detlef

27th October 2014, 02:21 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	Jambiyo are known in Indonesia, I have two of them, one quite small and rather rough, the other large and of fine quality. The small one is probably from Sumatera, the large one probably from Jawa.

27th October 2014, 09:38 PM	#8
blue lander Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 456	I recently saw a similar jambiya but I can't post the URL because its ongoing. It's completely unadorned and undecorated. The scabbard looks like someone cut a cows horn lengthwise and the hilt is likewise just a horn knob. The blade is jambiya shaped but it has no "spine".