Keris Patrem

henri · 27th June 2012, 02:03 AM

Dear members ,

Would love to get your comments on this keris .

It s a 24 cm long keris which could be classified into the patrem section .
The previous owner gave me these details :
Bought in 2009 in the palace Kasepuhan Cirebon

1. Dapur : Pandawa Keprabon
2. Tangguh : Cirebon Sepuh
3. Pamor : Pedaringan kebak
4. Warangka : gaya cirebon "kudup kenanga"

The blade fit perfectly into the sheath , aged patina really nice .
Ganja is matching in shape but not the same pamor .... is that unusual for this kind of keris ?

Difficult with the keris on hand to confirm the age of this one but would love to get your comments . Not sure the 300 to 400 years old announced by previous owner are into the brackets !!
Henri

tunggulametung · 27th June 2012, 02:38 AM

Ganja is normal for such pamor (to balanced, aesthetically).

Jean · 27th June 2012, 10:04 AM

Nice piece but from the proportions (long ganja and wide sogokan as compared to the blade, almost no slorok) I wonder whether the blade was shortened and narrowed? I attach the picture of another patrem for comparison.
Regards

henri · 27th June 2012, 10:25 AM

Thank you for your replies . Jean , after close viewing I can t see any trace of reshaping / welding ...Pamor is quite constant and flow naturally . May be the maker has got this design in mind ...?

Jean · 27th June 2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by henri

Thank you for your replies . Jean , after close viewing I can t see any trace of reshaping / welding ...Pamor is quite constant and flow naturally . May be the maker has got this design in mind ...?

Hello Henri,
This is just my opinion and I do not pretend to be right but the ratio between the lenght of the blade and the ganja seems outside the pakem. Attached is the picture of a patrem kris with a re-shaped old blade which is more visible than yours as the 7th luk is missing (skeleton blade as says Alan). Opinions from others will be welcome.....
Regards

David · 27th June 2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

This is just my opinion and I do not pretend to be right but the ratio between the lenght of the blade and the ganja seems outside the pakem.

From my experience keris patrem are often not the most perfectly created blades. I would not be surprised to find proportions somewhat off a bit in the execution of any patrem.

27th June 2012, 02:03 AM	#1
henri Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 81	Keris Patrem Dear members , Would love to get your comments on this keris . It s a 24 cm long keris which could be classified into the patrem section . The previous owner gave me these details : Bought in 2009 in the palace Kasepuhan Cirebon 1. Dapur : Pandawa Keprabon 2. Tangguh : Cirebon Sepuh 3. Pamor : Pedaringan kebak 4. Warangka : gaya cirebon "kudup kenanga" The blade fit perfectly into the sheath , aged patina really nice . Ganja is matching in shape but not the same pamor .... is that unusual for this kind of keris ? Difficult with the keris on hand to confirm the age of this one but would love to get your comments . Not sure the 300 to 400 years old announced by previous owner are into the brackets !! Henri Attached Images

27th June 2012, 10:04 AM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Nice piece but from the proportions (long ganja and wide sogokan as compared to the blade, almost no slorok) I wonder whether the blade was shortened and narrowed? I attach the picture of another patrem for comparison. Regards Attached Images

27th June 2012, 02:38 AM	#2
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	Ganja is normal for such pamor (to balanced, aesthetically).

27th June 2012, 10:25 AM	#4
henri Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 81	Thank you for your replies . Jean , after close viewing I can t see any trace of reshaping / welding ...Pamor is quite constant and flow naturally . May be the maker has got this design in mind ...?