14th March 2021, 07:30 PM | #1 |
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Chipped sword, attribution request
Good afternoon, please see another sword, a little over 90 cm long,
I could not find an analogue on the Internet, please help with attribution by time and possible place of manufacture, it is possible indirectly italy,? grateful for the help. with respect ,,, Last edited by Elmereya; 15th March 2021 at 05:24 PM. |
19th March 2021, 08:03 PM | #2 |
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there is a similarity with these blades, (the photo is taken here from previous topics), the spread in time, of course, but ... please help with the attribution of the sword.
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22nd March 2021, 08:50 PM | #3 |
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in addition to the previous photos ,,
found old photos, still the previous owner, they, it seems to me, better convey the essence of the subject,. my photos taken on the phone are not very good of course. with respect... Last edited by Elmereya; 22nd March 2021 at 09:14 PM. |
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Nothing to say on ths one, guys ?. C'mon !
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23rd March 2021, 07:06 PM | #6 |
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Dear Raf, would you kindly put your ? in words ?. Some of us (me, for one) need to be enlightened all the way .
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23rd March 2021, 07:58 PM | #8 |
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Benefit of the doubt ...
As if the blade underwent a rough cleaning session and the previous dent/s has/have augmented to a larger portion; maybe even with the owner's help.
Would this be a plausible inference Raf ? |
23rd March 2021, 07:59 PM | #9 |
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good day ,
I got the sword in the same form as in the last photos on a red background, the previous owner simply repaired the large potholes with a "cold weld" trowel. I do not like such restoration, I like to perceive the object as it is, I removed all the finishing touches; potholes do not spoil it in my opinion. with respect |
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cross posts ... and some close explanation.
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23rd March 2021, 08:07 PM | #11 |
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for example, the reverse side is where this cold welding is
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23rd March 2021, 08:12 PM | #12 |
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This place
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23rd March 2021, 08:31 PM | #13 |
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Thank you for your explanation.
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23rd March 2021, 09:03 PM | #14 |
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What a terrible wound.
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yes, the wound is serious, and I am glad that I removed the putty, there was a loose substance under it, but in the core it was about 5 mm thick at the site of the cleavage and therefore the sword is strong and still serious
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Good thing, Andrey .
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23rd March 2021, 10:11 PM | #17 |
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Fernando thank you for your help and support,
the subject is rather difficult to determine, of course, I conducted some research according to the circumstances and place of its discovery, with a high probability, it may have been lost in the winter of 1456 (due to events at the place of its discovery) .. but I wanted to clarify; the blade seems to be a type XIII according to Oakeshott, garda style 5, pommel type VI. (Is Oakeshott possible Italian?) is the subject as a whole likely to be attributed to the late 14th and early 15th centuries? with respect |
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Thank you Raf for your question, thanks to him I showed more details,
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27th March 2021, 05:43 PM | #19 |
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This sword doesn't look like an honest period piece to me.
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Good afternoon, could you please clarify what exactly you mean? with respect . |
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28th March 2021, 07:41 AM | #21 |
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I miss any „lines“ in the steel/corrosion due to a laminated steel.
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28th March 2021, 08:59 AM | #22 |
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good day .
I agree with you, besides, I do not always manage to make high-quality photos on my phone, I took it this morning. the overall structure of the sword as in these photos, with respect Last edited by Elmereya; 28th March 2021 at 10:13 AM. |
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