decoration on sumatra/aceh/atjeh ladieng + cojang

[asomotif]

I recently bought a cojang / Co-jang with a decoration on the back that is 'almost' identical to a Ladieng that was already in my collection.

Is this a big coincidence or is it a rather common decoration ?
I would like to see some more aceh/sumatra weapons with these decorations but most books only show small pictures and no details.

any help from forumites

[Lew]

Nice swords! I would say that these are a common decoration foun on these swords. I really do like the matching cracks on the hilts Funny I two Sikin swords with identical cracks in the hilt I have yet to see one that doesn't have one.

Lew

[Maurice]

Hi Willem,

digging up this old thread of yours.
I have another one with similar decoration!

Maurice

[erikscollectables]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi Willem,

digging up this old thread of yours.
I have another one with similar decoration!

Maurice

I also remember a similair decoration on a lopah petawaran I owned.
Will see if I can find the photo!

Erik

[Battara]

Amazing work on the spines!

[Sajen]

Second the statement from Jose, beautiful!

[asomotif]

Slowly the collection extends, but the variation in these spine decorations comes close to zero. I still do like them a lot
The last addition has a suasa collar and horn hilt: hulu cangge gliwang.

[Gavin Nugent]

Nice Variety Willem, one of my Amanremu has similar markings.

I really like the laminations in the Ladieng, any good photos of that pattern?

Gav

[asomotif]

I really like the laminations in the Ladieng, any good photos of that pattern?

Hello Gavin,
No, I don't have better pictures of the pattern on the Ladieng.
To get real good pictures I would probably have to clean and etch it, but I like the overal appearance at this moment.

Here is a picture with the balde forms and hulu / hilt forms.
The most left one on the hilt picture is probably an early form of hulu cangge gliwang.

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by freebooter

Nice Variety Willem, one of my Amanremu has similar markings.

Indeed a very nice piece Gav!
What I like also on your amanremu are the decorations on the blade itself...
http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/s197_full.html

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Slowly the collection extends, but the variation in these spine decorations comes close to zero. I still do like them a lot
The last addition has a suasa collar and horn hilt: hulu cangge gliwang.

NNNIIIICCCEEE!!!!! I like this one. Would be looking great next to my ladieng......

Best piece of your gliwang collection ......

Maurice

[Gavin Nugent]

Willem,

I am most impressed by their beauty, that is a very nice grouping with an understated beauty and quality rather than the drippings of gold and ivory seen on other Sumatran weapons...Not that ivory and gold is a bad thing .
I must say since obtaining the Kelling Hall collection I too have the Sumatran bug and will one day start another grouping of these weapons after I fill wants from other cultures first, thanks for sharing.

Maurice,

The markings are interesting and quite rubbed so I am guessing there is some good age to that example I have. I do not know the basis of those blade side markings but they are, although a little more rigid by design, similar to those found on my Sadap. I have seen similar on another Borneo piece too but I guess there was a lot of similar cultural cross overs in times past.
And yes, Willems and your Ladieng would look great together...I doubt he'd break the set though ;-)

Gav

[asomotif]

And yes, Willems and your Ladieng would look great together...

Maybe Maurice and I can have an exchange programme.
A few months the Cojang and Ladieng will visit one's collections and than the other collection

[erikscollectables]

Well our collections are already a continuing exchange program as it is....

Originally Posted by asomotif

Maybe Maurice and I can have an exchange programme.
A few months the Cojang and Ladieng will visit one's collections and than the other collection

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by erikscollectables

Well our collections are already a continuing exchange program as it is....

oh Erik, now you are reminding me.....We need to exchange your scabbard on the rencong with golden crowns, I guess it fits wonderfull on my Gayo piece I obtained in Bronbeek at the keris fair....

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by freebooter

The markings are interesting and quite rubbed so I am guessing there is some good age to that example I have. I do not know the basis of those blade side markings but they are, although a little more rigid by design, similar to those found on my Sadap. I have seen similar on another Borneo piece too but I guess there was a lot of similar cultural cross overs in times past.

Absolutely true....therefore I think these decorations are very interesting.
These decorations could be occurring more often on amanremu's, but I handled to less to tell.
Maybe somebody else on the forum had seen these kind of decorations at the side of the blade on Sumatran pieces??

[erikscollectables]

In the Fischer Catalogue of the Leiden Atjeh collection there is also a drawing of an identical type of decoration that is found on several items in that collection. Will try to make a picture later.

Regards, Erik

[erikscollectables]

As promised

Originally Posted by erikscollectables

In the Fischer Catalogue of the Leiden Atjeh collection there is also a drawing of an identical type of decoration that is found on several items in that collection. Will try to make a picture later.

Regards, Erik