Tibetan Knife?

Kmaddock · 26th August 2020, 11:37 AM

Hi
Just got this knife last night in a job lot
Am I correct in thinking it is from Tibet or Bhutan?
and would anyone have any idea on age of the knife
V sharp blade with 2 fullers blade length 18.5 cm overall length 31 cm
I am thinking of repairing the silver wire on the handle, anyone got any idea as to where to get such wire about 1mm in gauge
Regards
Ken

Battara · 26th August 2020, 06:51 PM

Well Bhutan and Tibet are next door neighbors and Tibetan Buddhist in orientation. Could fit both. Hard to tell for me.

Gonzoadler · 27th August 2020, 12:00 AM

Hello,
this dagger is called "Dughti", they were common
in both countries. I estimate the dagger was made
in the second third of the 20th century. I don't know where you can get a wire but personally I wouldn't change it.
Regards

Philip · 27th August 2020, 05:54 AM

The style, especially of the hilt, is typically Bhutanese although there is some overlap in the deco motifs. It's quite a late piece, perhaps of touristic quality.

Kmaddock · 27th August 2020, 10:44 AM

Thanks all for your posts and confirmation of origin
Another country another knife
Regards
Ken

Rich · 27th August 2020, 02:19 PM

I have two similar knives. Labeled them as Tibetan, know they could be Nepal or Bhutan. I think (?) the wood handled one is possibly older. Any more info appreciated. (My photo editing software is primitive-sorry). Rich

kronckew · 27th August 2020, 06:22 PM

I've been told many moons ago that the social group that makes these overlaps the borders and sells them to traders to/from both nations. The Bhutanese tend to like the one with dragon motifs on the scabbards, and the Tibetans prefer geometric and floral patterns, but that is not definitive.

My Bhutanese (probably) Dossum:

Gonzoadler · 27th August 2020, 11:24 PM

I have one, too. The blade is double edged and damascened. The material of the scabbard and the handle is probably tombac.
Is it more likely that the dagger is from Bhutan because of the dragon?

kronckew · 28th August 2020, 03:04 PM

Probably. Double edged is a bit unusual.hairpin lamination is fairly common in the area in older blades especially. The dragon is the National symbol of Bhutan.

The Bhutanese Flag is below

The king carries a much larger single edged sword version, called a patag, or patang. He carries it on his right side as a symbol of his rank. (see below)

Kmaddock · 28th August 2020, 05:46 PM

Hi Gonzoadler,

The ferrule in your blade look like they were milled out which strikes me as being a bit unusual , handle nearly identical to how mine was.

Regards

Ken

kronckew · 28th August 2020, 06:14 PM

To me they look like the grip has formed sheet sections soldered, they have seams and even a small blob of solder is visible. The ferrule has a distinct seam on the rear where the strip of metal was joined.

Gonzoadler · 28th August 2020, 09:55 PM

You are right kronckew, handle and scabbard are made of embossed and soldered tombac sheets. I know that the blade is a little unusual, but all fits together. Unfortunately I can't read the inscription.
Thanks for information, it is interesting.

26th August 2020, 11:37 AM	#1
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Tibetan Knife? Hi Just got this knife last night in a job lot Am I correct in thinking it is from Tibet or Bhutan? and would anyone have any idea on age of the knife V sharp blade with 2 fullers blade length 18.5 cm overall length 31 cm I am thinking of repairing the silver wire on the handle, anyone got any idea as to where to get such wire about 1mm in gauge Regards Ken Attached Images

27th August 2020, 02:19 PM	#6
Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	I have two similar knives. Labeled them as Tibetan, know they could be Nepal or Bhutan. I think (?) the wood handled one is possibly older. Any more info appreciated. (My photo editing software is primitive-sorry). Rich Attached Images Last edited by Rich; 27th August 2020 at 03:28 PM.

27th August 2020, 06:22 PM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	I've been told many moons ago that the social group that makes these overlaps the borders and sells them to traders to/from both nations. The Bhutanese tend to like the one with dragon motifs on the scabbards, and the Tibetans prefer geometric and floral patterns, but that is not definitive. My Bhutanese (probably) Dossum: Attached Images

27th August 2020, 11:24 PM	#8
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 244	I have one, too. The blade is double edged and damascened. The material of the scabbard and the handle is probably tombac. Is it more likely that the dagger is from Bhutan because of the dragon? Attached Images

28th August 2020, 03:04 PM	#9
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	Probably. Double edged is a bit unusual.hairpin lamination is fairly common in the area in older blades especially. The dragon is the National symbol of Bhutan. The Bhutanese Flag is below The king carries a much larger single edged sword version, called a patag, or patang. He carries it on his right side as a symbol of his rank. (see below) Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 28th August 2020 at 03:21 PM.

26th August 2020, 06:51 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Well Bhutan and Tibet are next door neighbors and Tibetan Buddhist in orientation. Could fit both. Hard to tell for me.

27th August 2020, 12:00 AM	#3
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 244	Hello, this dagger is called "Dughti", they were common in both countries. I estimate the dagger was made in the second third of the 20th century. I don't know where you can get a wire but personally I wouldn't change it. Regards

27th August 2020, 05:54 AM	#4
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	The style, especially of the hilt, is typically Bhutanese although there is some overlap in the deco motifs. It's quite a late piece, perhaps of touristic quality.

27th August 2020, 10:44 AM	#5
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Thanks all for your posts and confirmation of origin Another country another knife Regards Ken

28th August 2020, 05:46 PM	#10
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi Gonzoadler, The ferrule in your blade look like they were milled out which strikes me as being a bit unusual , handle nearly identical to how mine was. Regards Ken

28th August 2020, 06:14 PM	#11
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	To me they look like the grip has formed sheet sections soldered, they have seams and even a small blob of solder is visible. The ferrule has a distinct seam on the rear where the strip of metal was joined.

28th August 2020, 09:55 PM	#12
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 244	You are right kronckew, handle and scabbard are made of embossed and soldered tombac sheets. I know that the blade is a little unusual, but all fits together. Unfortunately I can't read the inscription. Thanks for information, it is interesting.