Pedang lurus?

werecow · 10th June 2022, 08:27 PM

David suggested I start a thread on this board for this fun little pedang lurus (or so I think?) that I picked up a month or two ago. I'll just link to the pictures from the pamor thread (some are mine, some the vendor's):

As you can see it's about 78cm long. Tapers gradually from 8mm near the hilt to 5mm right before the start of the false edge.

It's my first blade with pamor. It has some damage to the grip and guard, and unfortunately no scabbard, but the blade is firm in the grip, and it has a rather outspoken pattern on it (with a very apparent layering seen along the spine). I really like the organic shape of it. It strikes me as almost kind of an elven sword.
It came very cheap, and on top of that it was a very pleasant surprise when I first held it. It's maybe my favorite short sword to hold. The weight and grip angle makes it feel both choppy and stabby. The forward slanted curvature brings the point exactly in line with the outstretched arm without hyperextending the wrist, and it also makes it feel somehow "eager" to chop, if that makes sense.

I assume it's Javanese, but I'm not quite sure. I don't have the expertise to determine a likely age. I'd appreciate your thoughts and insights.

Interested Party · 10th June 2022, 09:55 PM

A short sidebar before we start the discussion of this sword. Is this a pedang lurus or a pedang suduk maru? I have seen this shape described as both in discussions in this forum. See #7 on this thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ang+suduk+maru and also used in http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ang+suduk+maru among others
vs. the opinions on these threads http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ang+suduk+maru and http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=pedang+lurus and http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=pedang+lurus, which also line up with the book Traditional Weapons of the Indonesian Archiplago. Which is the correct terminology?

BTW I like this style of blade and the wayang figure on its hilt. I am curious who this represents. As far as paramor goes can I take a guess at pamor mlumah and a beras wutah variant?

A. G. Maisey · 10th June 2022, 10:54 PM

It is a straight bladed stabbing sword.

Lurus = straight (Javanese, Bahasa Indonesia)

Suduk = stab (Jav.)

Tusuk = skewer (BI)

the pamor is Wos Wutah (Beras Wutah), this is a random,laying down, ie laying flat against the blade core, pamor as opposed to pamor miring, ie, at 90 degrees to the blade core.

pamor mlumah = laying down

pamor miring = at an angle

The forms of pedang lurus vary a lot, opinions of sub-classification names vary considerably.

10th June 2022, 08:27 PM	#1
werecow Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Leiden, NL Posts: 499	Pedang lurus? David suggested I start a thread on this board for this fun little pedang lurus (or so I think?) that I picked up a month or two ago. I'll just link to the pictures from the pamor thread (some are mine, some the vendor's): As you can see it's about 78cm long. Tapers gradually from 8mm near the hilt to 5mm right before the start of the false edge. It's my first blade with pamor. It has some damage to the grip and guard, and unfortunately no scabbard, but the blade is firm in the grip, and it has a rather outspoken pattern on it (with a very apparent layering seen along the spine). I really like the organic shape of it. It strikes me as almost kind of an elven sword. It came very cheap, and on top of that it was a very pleasant surprise when I first held it. It's maybe my favorite short sword to hold. The weight and grip angle makes it feel both choppy and stabby. The forward slanted curvature brings the point exactly in line with the outstretched arm without hyperextending the wrist, and it also makes it feel somehow "eager" to chop, if that makes sense. I assume it's Javanese, but I'm not quite sure. I don't have the expertise to determine a likely age. I'd appreciate your thoughts and insights.

10th June 2022, 09:55 PM	#2
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 476	A short sidebar before we start the discussion of this sword. Is this a pedang lurus or a pedang suduk maru? I have seen this shape described as both in discussions in this forum. See #7 on this thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ang+suduk+maru and also used in http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ang+suduk+maru among others vs. the opinions on these threads http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ang+suduk+maru and http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=pedang+lurus and http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=pedang+lurus, which also line up with the book Traditional Weapons of the Indonesian Archiplago. Which is the correct terminology? BTW I like this style of blade and the wayang figure on its hilt. I am curious who this represents. As far as paramor goes can I take a guess at pamor mlumah and a beras wutah variant?

10th June 2022, 10:54 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,895	It is a straight bladed stabbing sword. Lurus = straight (Javanese, Bahasa Indonesia) Suduk = stab (Jav.) Tusuk = skewer (BI) the pamor is Wos Wutah (Beras Wutah), this is a random,laying down, ie laying flat against the blade core, pamor as opposed to pamor miring, ie, at 90 degrees to the blade core. pamor mlumah = laying down pamor miring = at an angle The forms of pedang lurus vary a lot, opinions of sub-classification names vary considerably.