East Asian shield?

Tim Simmons · 19th May 2011, 10:07 PM

Not an area I am familiar with but I took a punt on this. Rather a gamble as these are the only pictures. Could be a tourist thing? I believe the diameter is 51cm. It might be possible, looking at the detail on the outer edge to accept the sellers notion that is is "OLD" The double bird imagery reminds me of Africa. I do not know what the animals suggest? If it is a tourist thing, crocs? eating what looks like your pet dog seems a really strange way of selling it! Follow up when I have it.

http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/cnhc/csl-maps-species.htm

asomotif · 20th May 2011, 12:37 PM

Does it have a handle to hold it as a shield ?
Or is it a wooden plate to serve some exotic food...

Tim Simmons · 21st May 2011, 01:31 PM

Well it is certainly a shield. Servicable but quite crudly scraped out. There is a lot of warp to the wood none the less a lot of work went into making it. Dirty and very slightly damp. As I said, I know little of this stuff.

Tim Simmons · 21st May 2011, 05:48 PM

Trying to research the imagery displayed on this shield. Is it possible to be double hornbills and komodo gragons? The do not really look like crocodiles. If they are komodo dragons then that may hint to an origin?

fearn · 21st May 2011, 05:52 PM

They don't have to be komodo dragons. Other monitor lizards are widespread throughout Asia.

F

Tim Simmons · 22nd May 2011, 11:28 AM

I believe many indeed most of the members here are "SEA" collectors in some way. All I have been able to find is that the hornbill and other birds, I think the birds on the shield resemble hornbills? are part of SEA art and culture. So too are lizards and some suff about dogs. The only other information comes from "Albert G. Van Zonneveld, Traditional Weapons Of The Indonesian Archipelago" where in the pages for shield round carvec wooden shields are mentioned. Origins could be from several places.

Ferguson · 22nd May 2011, 11:55 AM

Hi Tim,
I know nothing of shields, but I do know tools. If you look at the back of the shield, the swirls in the wood appear to be made by an electric angle grinder or circular sander. That would say very modern. Just my opinion.
But it's still a cool piece.

Steve

Tim Simmons · 22nd May 2011, 12:09 PM

Yes indeed. I thought possibly curved strokes with some kind of scraper but no. Well **** happens, to us all sometimes

KuKulzA28 · 23rd May 2011, 02:13 AM

The lizard definitely resemble monitor lizards or biawak. Does the level of intricacy or the style of the carvings suggest a region? Or perhaps the designs themselves? If those are indeed hornbills, the they are biawak, and the biawak are eating dogs... then maybe Borneo?

Is Borneo not known for hornbills, do Dayaks not have a lot of dog symbolism in their carvings and tattoos, and are biawak not very common there?

But does not look like a Dayak-style shield from the little I have seen in pictures... and hornbills, dogs, and monitor lizards are found in Africa as well...

Just a thought from am amateur

But then again, maybe it was made more recently, and maybe for the tourist industry

19th May 2011, 10:07 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	East Asian shield? Not an area I am familiar with but I took a punt on this. Rather a gamble as these are the only pictures. Could be a tourist thing? I believe the diameter is 51cm. It might be possible, looking at the detail on the outer edge to accept the sellers notion that is is "OLD" The double bird imagery reminds me of Africa. I do not know what the animals suggest? If it is a tourist thing, crocs? eating what looks like your pet dog seems a really strange way of selling it! Follow up when I have it. http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/cnhc/csl-maps-species.htm Attached Images

21st May 2011, 01:31 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Well it is certainly a shield. Servicable but quite crudly scraped out. There is a lot of warp to the wood none the less a lot of work went into making it. Dirty and very slightly damp. As I said, I know little of this stuff. Attached Images

22nd May 2011, 11:55 AM	#7
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Hi Tim, I know nothing of shields, but I do know tools. If you look at the back of the shield, the swirls in the wood appear to be made by an electric angle grinder or circular sander. That would say very modern. Just my opinion. But it's still a cool piece. Steve Attached Images

20th May 2011, 12:37 PM	#2
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Does it have a handle to hold it as a shield ? Or is it a wooden plate to serve some exotic food...

21st May 2011, 05:48 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Trying to research the imagery displayed on this shield. Is it possible to be double hornbills and komodo gragons? The do not really look like crocodiles. If they are komodo dragons then that may hint to an origin?

21st May 2011, 05:52 PM	#5
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	They don't have to be komodo dragons. Other monitor lizards are widespread throughout Asia. F

22nd May 2011, 11:28 AM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	I believe many indeed most of the members here are "SEA" collectors in some way. All I have been able to find is that the hornbill and other birds, I think the birds on the shield resemble hornbills? are part of SEA art and culture. So too are lizards and some suff about dogs. The only other information comes from "Albert G. Van Zonneveld, Traditional Weapons Of The Indonesian Archipelago" where in the pages for shield round carvec wooden shields are mentioned. Origins could be from several places.

22nd May 2011, 12:09 PM	#8
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Yes indeed. I thought possibly curved strokes with some kind of scraper but no. Well **** happens, to us all sometimes

23rd May 2011, 02:13 AM	#9
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	The lizard definitely resemble monitor lizards or biawak. Does the level of intricacy or the style of the carvings suggest a region? Or perhaps the designs themselves? If those are indeed hornbills, the they are biawak, and the biawak are eating dogs... then maybe Borneo? Is Borneo not known for hornbills, do Dayaks not have a lot of dog symbolism in their carvings and tattoos, and are biawak not very common there? But does not look like a Dayak-style shield from the little I have seen in pictures... and hornbills, dogs, and monitor lizards are found in Africa as well... Just a thought from am amateur But then again, maybe it was made more recently, and maybe for the tourist industry