Translation help needed

Tabarzin · 15th September 2007, 01:03 AM

One side is Arabic and the other Urdu?

rand · 15th September 2007, 06:03 PM

Try posting this on the Sword Forum and ask for a translation. If it is Farsi there are a few members there that can translate it for you.

http://www.swordforum.com/

You will need to post in the MiddleEastern arms section,

rand

Philip · 16th September 2007, 09:19 AM

The inscription in the upper (first) image in this thread reads:

"Help from God and victory near"

It is part of a verse from the Qur'an, the rest of it (not illustrated here so I do not know if actually appears on the object in question) is:

"Bring the glad tidings to the believers".

I don't recognize the language of the lower inscription, although it uses the Arabic alphabet. Above it is a date.

Philip · 16th September 2007, 09:30 AM

The date that appears above the inscription in the lower image is AH (anno hegirae) 1301, which is the equivalent to AD 1884.

To do the calculation, take the AH year, multiply by 0.97, and then add 622 to the result. In this case, you get 1883.97 which can be rounded to the next whole number.

The bases of the conversion are:
1. Muslims measure their era from the date of the Hegira (the Prophet's flight from Mecca to Medina in the year AD 622.
2. The factor of 0.97 is, for common purposes, an accurate and convenient way of adjusting from the Islamic lunar to the Gregorian solar year.

rand · 19th September 2007, 08:25 AM

Hello Tabarzin,

The Urdu side reads....

Rājē Sūmiser Rāv Bāharī

This should be name meaning The ruler/ a noble Sūmiser Rāv Bāharī

Translation complements of Manouchehr

Can you get a clearer photo of the rest of the inscription under the langets?

rand

That Urdu, that youdo, sowell (couldn't resist saying that)

Battara · 19th September 2007, 10:19 PM

How about pictures of the whole thing?

Tabarzin · 20th September 2007, 03:02 AM

Firstly thanks to Phillip and Rand for deciphering the inscriptions!

Now as per your request Battara............... I was actually contemplating starting a new thread for this tulwar. Chiseled gold hilt with a very interesting Wilkinson blade. Original scabbard with pierced locket and chape in European style. The spine is stamped with the #'s 91439. Apologies for not posting a pic of the entire sword blade, having problems with my digital.

rand · 20th September 2007, 03:32 AM

Hey Tabarzin,

Credit for the Urdu translation go's to Manouchehr and Mumtaz Baber, curiously enough Mumaz believes both inscriptions to be Urdu and the Urdu translation for the saying form Quran is the same.

"Rajah Sumesser Rav Bahadur"

Rajah means King/Ruler/Noble , as Manoucher Jan Stated ,

so I'd say it translates as Rajah Sumesser the Brave .

Sumesser is the king's name, though his name may be Sumesser Rav ,

and "Bahadur" means The Brave.

Now, we just need to find out the signifigance of the number on the spine.

rand

15th September 2007, 01:03 AM	#1
Tabarzin Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 7	Translation help needed One side is Arabic and the other Urdu? Attached Images

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rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 538	Translation Try posting this on the Sword Forum and ask for a translation. If it is Farsi there are a few members there that can translate it for you. http://www.swordforum.com/ You will need to post in the MiddleEastern arms section, rand

16th September 2007, 09:19 AM	#3
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	top inscription is Arabic The inscription in the upper (first) image in this thread reads: "Help from God and victory near" It is part of a verse from the Qur'an, the rest of it (not illustrated here so I do not know if actually appears on the object in question) is: "Bring the glad tidings to the believers". I don't recognize the language of the lower inscription, although it uses the Arabic alphabet. Above it is a date.

16th September 2007, 09:30 AM	#4
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	date The date that appears above the inscription in the lower image is AH (anno hegirae) 1301, which is the equivalent to AD 1884. To do the calculation, take the AH year, multiply by 0.97, and then add 622 to the result. In this case, you get 1883.97 which can be rounded to the next whole number. The bases of the conversion are: 1. Muslims measure their era from the date of the Hegira (the Prophet's flight from Mecca to Medina in the year AD 622. 2. The factor of 0.97 is, for common purposes, an accurate and convenient way of adjusting from the Islamic lunar to the Gregorian solar year.

19th September 2007, 08:25 AM	#5
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 538	Urdu Translation Hello Tabarzin, The Urdu side reads.... Rājē Sūmiser Rāv Bāharī This should be name meaning The ruler/ a noble Sūmiser Rāv Bāharī Translation complements of Manouchehr Can you get a clearer photo of the rest of the inscription under the langets? rand That Urdu, that youdo, sowell (couldn't resist saying that)

19th September 2007, 10:19 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	How about pictures of the whole thing?

20th September 2007, 03:02 AM	#7
Tabarzin Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 7	Firstly thanks to Phillip and Rand for deciphering the inscriptions! Now as per your request Battara............... I was actually contemplating starting a new thread for this tulwar. Chiseled gold hilt with a very interesting Wilkinson blade. Original scabbard with pierced locket and chape in European style. The spine is stamped with the #'s 91439. Apologies for not posting a pic of the entire sword blade, having problems with my digital. Attached Images

20th September 2007, 03:32 AM	#8
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 538	Translation Hey Tabarzin, Credit for the Urdu translation go's to Manouchehr and Mumtaz Baber, curiously enough Mumaz believes both inscriptions to be Urdu and the Urdu translation for the saying form Quran is the same. "Rajah Sumesser Rav Bahadur" Rajah means King/Ruler/Noble , as Manoucher Jan Stated , so I'd say it translates as Rajah Sumesser the Brave . Sumesser is the king's name, though his name may be Sumesser Rav , and "Bahadur" means The Brave. Now, we just need to find out the signifigance of the number on the spine. rand