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The seller thinks they're Turkish but that doesn't seem right. They look more South East Asian to me, perhaps Thailand? Philippines?
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JUST A GUESS BUT THEY STRIKE ME AS BEING FROM SOMEWHERE AROUND CHINA AND RUSSIA WITH THE DESIGN OF THE KNIFE BEING CLOSER TO THE CHINESE FORM. THE INFLUENCE OF CHINA IS VERY WIDE IN THE REGION.
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Thanks. I would have never considered a Chinese origin. I thought the blades were vaguely e-nep looking.
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These are Thai. Recently made. Similar knives (of typically better quality) are made in Aranyik.
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I had one like this, a present from a friend that visited Thailand
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chinese mong (h'mong... why hwy is there a h,, nobody probnounces this "h" in any languages and they are called mong... if your french please tell me why!!
![]() form thailand have mong people form china they make these knives with the multiple fullers, mong in lao for example dont.. |
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Oh yeah, it does look like a hmong friendship knife. I've never seen them in a pair like this or in a leather scabbard
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hi actually they dont make any mong or meo knive sin aranyik maybe some wholesalers in the village may have some eneps form north thailand or something some time. but they never stock any non thai stuff. you can maybe find stuff like these on the thai knife fourms or gun forums some time... about the chinese influence.. yes its 100% chinese influence.. and in fact chinese them selves historically used such a blade shape, considering meo and mong and many other asian tribal people came from central east china and spread out in the last 1000nd years or so im sure there was a lot of exchanges in knife making.. these chinese influenced blades show up with mong and meo from china and you can find them with very long blades ive seem some in chinese forums with blades more like chinses sabres!... the fact that older immigrant groups in this area of asia of mong and meo dont really make their blades with fulling or with pin inlay like these, so i can speculate that either it is a style that some specific tribes of meo made or its just that they recently .. in the last 50 years adopted some chinese styles.. or can be another reason.. maybe mong and meo made these styles in their homelands in wht is now china and the others changed their styles when they arrived in new lands and these new arrivals kept the blade decorating styles.. |
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The rivets used in the sheath don't look like they could be more than ~50 years old so they must be pretty modern . Post WW2 at the very least.
The seller is in France if that helps narrow down the time frame. Perhaps its from the era of their colonial involvement over there. |
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the knvies we are discussing... the sheaths like this are a product of vietnam war or after that time.. nothing about anything traditional.. and they dont carry the knives like this either they will use a wooden sheath.. sheath and the knife can be made yesterday, its irrelevant it is the blade marking and construction that is to contemplate.. |
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Do you believe the knives are older than the sheath?
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What about these two? I got them awhile back with a couple other items and sort of wrote them off as souvenirs. The top one looks somewhat similar to the Hmong knife. It's actually quite sturdy with a fairly thick blade with distal taper. It's as sharp as your average pocket knife and seems very usable. The bottom one's blade is very crude and barely sharpened. I have no idea what it's supposed to be.
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I've never seen one like the bottom example.
![]() The top one is an example of knives still being produced in Myanmar/Burma (and, likely, Thailand). About 10 years ago, I was introduced to a gentleman who had a government-approved trip scheduled to Myanmar, where he was spending time with Karen tribes. I requested he bring me back something sharp and pointy if he came across anything inexpensive. He sent me this: Dha-hmyaung. Myanmar (Burma). Early 21st Century. Brass and rattan fittings. Newly manufactured by Karen Tribesmen. Overall length: 30 cm Blade length: 20 cm Handle length: 10 cm Scabbard length: 22 cm |
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I have a simular one. Does not look very old.
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How large is that one? Mine's only 20mm OAL, much smaller than the one Andrew posted.
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The knife 30 cm, total lenght is 33 cm.
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Whoops, you're right. 20 cm. Still smaller than either other example.
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They just arrived today. First impression: Souvenir knives. They're tiny and the edges aren't sharpened. I was about to chuck them in the "junk" bin but the seller covered the other side of the blade with stickers for some reason and I wanted to remove them. I scraped off what I could and used FeCL to burn off the rest of the residue.
To my surprise, it appears that the larger one has a hardened edge! So I guess it is a real knife. Edit: Small one appears to be hardened as well. I can't imagine what such a small knife would be useful for. Last edited by blue lander; 14th October 2014 at 03:50 PM. |
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I remember one Hmong friend in college who was having bad dreams though....according to Hmong traditional beliefs her grandmother gave her a hmong knife to put under her pillow for protection from the bad dreams...I don't remember hearing if it worked, but we teased her saying no one should ever try to wake her up at night for the possibility of getting stabbed! ![]() |
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Here is what the more common utility type look like...they are both actually Hmong style blades. When I posted this tread initially I titled it Karen...but that is not quite correct...we visited a more temporary village which had a number of sellers from different tribal groups just north of Chiang Rai, Thailand...this type would be recognized as Meed Hmong (Hmong style knife) http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5163 |
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