Greek ? Ottoman Bayonet ? Souvenir ?

francantolin · 22nd December 2017, 09:34 PM

Hello,

I recently bought this small sword-bayonet,

I can't recognise if it's an old greek (?) bayonett decorated with medals,or just a 70's- 80's tourist stuff !
scabbard and handle are made of brass, blade is rusty but seems a real one
( not a ''Greece 'independance copy )

Any opinion ?
Thank you !

corrado26 · 23rd December 2017, 09:44 AM

I do not know the knife, but the sheeth is certainly made for a tourist item and doesn't belong to this knife.
corrado26

Kmaddock · 23rd December 2017, 04:38 PM

The knife looks like a bayonet but there does lot look to be any mounting mechanism or spring loaded catch.

Is there a slit in the back of the grip to engage in a rifle mount?

If i was to guess the blade looks to be a German Faschinenmesser but the hole for the barrel in the cross guard is putting me off this idea

http://www.pickelhaubes.com/bb/viewt...hp?f=36&t=6523

gives you an idea of this knife type, used by troops for clearing brush and cutting small branches in 18oo's, if you scroll down in the above link you will see the amount of variations in this knife type there were

regards
Ken

francantolin · 23rd December 2017, 10:50 PM

Hello and thank you both for your comments,

Really interesting informations about FaschinenMesser !
Thank you Ken !.

For my small sword, It's strange because there is no slit in the back ( sword type ) but there is the classic hole (bayonet type )...

In the hole , there is a small medal welded , like the rest of the scabbard.

Maybe it's an old ''bayonet'' , ''decorated'' later ( in Greece, Balkans ? )for making it more saleable ...

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY !!

Franky

Kmaddock · 24th December 2017, 09:47 AM

No problem
I collect German imperial bayonets and have a few of these interesting knives, there are practically endless variations as nearly every German state had different variants of knives and bayonets
If you look at faschinemessers you will see most have no fullers as per your blade.
Parade bayonets were also very common in late 1800s in Germany and these generally did not have any locking mechanism
Nice item
Regards
Ken
Ps happy Christmas to you and all

22nd December 2017, 09:34 PM	#1
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 877	Greek ? Ottoman Bayonet ? Souvenir ? Hello, I recently bought this small sword-bayonet, I can't recognise if it's an old greek (?) bayonett decorated with medals,or just a 70's- 80's tourist stuff ! scabbard and handle are made of brass, blade is rusty but seems a real one ( not a ''Greece 'independance copy ) Any opinion ? Thank you ! Attached Images

23rd December 2017, 09:44 AM	#2
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,206	I do not know the knife, but the sheeth is certainly made for a tourist item and doesn't belong to this knife. corrado26

23rd December 2017, 04:38 PM	#3
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	The knife looks like a bayonet but there does lot look to be any mounting mechanism or spring loaded catch. Is there a slit in the back of the grip to engage in a rifle mount? If i was to guess the blade looks to be a German Faschinenmesser but the hole for the barrel in the cross guard is putting me off this idea http://www.pickelhaubes.com/bb/viewt...hp?f=36&t=6523 gives you an idea of this knife type, used by troops for clearing brush and cutting small branches in 18oo's, if you scroll down in the above link you will see the amount of variations in this knife type there were regards Ken

23rd December 2017, 10:50 PM	#4
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 877	Hello and thank you both for your comments, Really interesting informations about FaschinenMesser ! Thank you Ken !. For my small sword, It's strange because there is no slit in the back ( sword type ) but there is the classic hole (bayonet type )... In the hole , there is a small medal welded , like the rest of the scabbard. Maybe it's an old ''bayonet'' , ''decorated'' later ( in Greece, Balkans ? )for making it more saleable ... MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY !! Franky

24th December 2017, 09:47 AM	#5
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	No problem I collect German imperial bayonets and have a few of these interesting knives, there are practically endless variations as nearly every German state had different variants of knives and bayonets If you look at faschinemessers you will see most have no fullers as per your blade. Parade bayonets were also very common in late 1800s in Germany and these generally did not have any locking mechanism Nice item Regards Ken Ps happy Christmas to you and all