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Local store has this and I'm interested. Best photos I could get with a cell phone. The blade is either actual wootz or a very high quality pattern weld.
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Ottoman.
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Please send me the address of your local store!!
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Thanks. Can you refine it any? I'm guessing prior to 1900.
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Yes, a classical Ottoman Kard and 19th Century. The handle is likely jade and the blade is wootz. The silver scabbard also has all elements of classical Ottoman design, the repose style, 'rings' near the opening and the dragon/fish finial. A nice Kard.
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As it was said before, in my oppinion too, it is 19th century Ottoman, most likely Turkish Kard.
Better photos should help to identify if it is wootz. |
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Vendor is getting a professional appraisal. If it's outside my price range, I've told them I'll let people know, so you can descend upon them.
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Excellent Ottoman kard.Congratulations
![]() In regard to the silver scabbard, I have some doubts that it is from another set.If the knife comes in without difficulty and stands tight then everything is ok. |
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According to some members it will be Greek but i think it's a Turkish bishaq... A kard is Persian.... ![]() |
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Greek scabbard (Crete). Card with a strong Persian influence. Согласен с OsobistGB Ножны греческие (Крит). Кард с сильным персидским влиянием. |
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Better pics of the metal tomorrow.
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You got yourself a very good and fully genuine Kard, it is unquestionably authentic, but full originality of its composing parts cannot be proven. It is not a defect but just an inevitable consequence of its age and active usage. |
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Sorry: double posting
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They considered my offer over the weekend and I picked it up yesterday.
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mariusgmioc, I can't reply until you clear out your inbox.
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Congratulations! Very nice catch. |
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Hopefully better pictures of the blade grain and scabbard.
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Thank you for the additional photos!
True inndeed that it would be almost impossible to know with certainty whether the scabbard is the original or a replacemement. Yet, considering the style and condition of both the knife and the scabbard, I tend to believe the sabbard is the original. Moreover, as I stated earlier, I believe it to be Turkish, not Greek or Balkan, but this is debatable since styles and skills travelled well within the Ottoman Empire. |
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Thanks for the info. I'm trying to get a translation of the script.
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I am asking because it would be possible the hilt to be of onyx, which is widely found in Anatolia. |
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Also, if you post close-ups of the inscriptions I may be able to help. At the moment it's too low resolution for me to read
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Here's some pics of the hilt. I'll try to zoom in more on the inscription.
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Here's a link to higher resolution of the script. I can't upload sufficient resolution with the site's limits.
https://www.sharppointythings.com/pi...11aa618-la.jpg |
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This is in Persian, but the calligraphy looks more typical of Ottoman metalwork:
بکش خنجر که جان بهر تو [ا]ی نامهربان دارم 'Draw the dagger, since my life is at your disposal, O unkind one!' The imagery is typical of the Ottoman and Persian poetic traditions, where the poet emphasises his devotion to a cruel beloved, even asking to be killed in order to demonstrate his devotion. |
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I should add, I found it online as a verse attributed to the poet Lotfi Shirazi, who was active in the reign of Shah 'Abbas
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Thank you very much, kwiatek. That's an interesting piece of information about it.
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Thank you for the photos!
The hilt can be either jade (nephrite or jadeite) or onyx. Cannot say. From the photo with the text (the one from the link you provided), one can clearly see that it is not antique wootz. So it is either some faux-wootz (done by pattern etching) or some modern version of "wootz." The koftgari also looks very fresh... It would be interesting to hear what others have to say about this. ![]() Last edited by mariusgmioc; 18th January 2020 at 09:03 PM. |
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I dont see any wootz at all - sorry.
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