Yogyakarta keris

Freddy · 23rd February 2009, 06:34 PM

Here is the Yogyakarta keris I bought this weekend at the historical weapons fair in Hoboken (Belgium).

It has a ganja iras and 11 luk. After examining this piece at home, I find the shape of the luk at the top a bit strange. Does anyone know the name of this dapur ?

The blade has pamor, although it's not visible on the pics.

Any opinion is appreciated.

sjors · 24th February 2009, 07:53 AM

Hello Freddy,

It looks to me the far end of the tip has been broken or something like that and is reshaped afterwards ...

Looking at the "structure" of the metal, I also have the feeling this keris has been heavely treated with some kind of acid; not warangan but something else. (...but of course I can be wrong, after all I'm not a "connoisseur")

Rick · 24th February 2009, 05:43 PM

The deep pitting would seem to indicate that Sjors .

Freddy · 24th February 2009, 06:48 PM

The blade still shows some pamor, though.

Have a look :

And here's a close-up of the tip of the blade :

Henk · 24th February 2009, 08:58 PM

The tip has been reshaped indeed. The signs of that actions are clearly visible.
I don't think the blade has been treated with accid to give it an older look, but to remove the rust. I think this keris would look completely different when it would be stained again with warangan.

Freddy · 25th February 2009, 08:29 PM

Yes, I know. Staining the blade would improve it. Problem is that this is not easily done in Belgium.

Any ideas on the dapur of this blade ? It has a ganja iras, so this must make it possible to identify it.

In the first book by Tammens, I found dapur chengkrong (according to the author an 11 luk blade which sometimes has a ganja iras and no prabot).

But isn't dapur chengkrong or cengkrong different to my keris ?

Henk · 25th February 2009, 10:30 PM

The first book of Tammens can give a nice indentification of a dapur. I learnt however in the past that pinning a blade down in a dapur is rather tricky. Alan Maisey gave some magnificent examples of this behaviour.

23rd February 2009, 06:34 PM	#1
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	Yogyakarta keris Here is the Yogyakarta keris I bought this weekend at the historical weapons fair in Hoboken (Belgium). It has a ganja iras and 11 luk. After examining this piece at home, I find the shape of the luk at the top a bit strange. Does anyone know the name of this dapur ? The blade has pamor, although it's not visible on the pics. Any opinion is appreciated.

24th February 2009, 07:53 AM	#2
sjors Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 68	Hello Freddy, It looks to me the far end of the tip has been broken or something like that and is reshaped afterwards ... Looking at the "structure" of the metal, I also have the feeling this keris has been heavely treated with some kind of acid; not warangan but something else. (...but of course I can be wrong, after all I'm not a "connoisseur") Last edited by sjors; 24th February 2009 at 08:06 AM.

24th February 2009, 06:48 PM	#4
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	two more pics The blade still shows some pamor, though. Have a look : And here's a close-up of the tip of the blade :

25th February 2009, 08:29 PM	#6
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	Dapur ? Yes, I know. Staining the blade would improve it. Problem is that this is not easily done in Belgium. Any ideas on the dapur of this blade ? It has a ganja iras, so this must make it possible to identify it. In the first book by Tammens, I found dapur chengkrong (according to the author an 11 luk blade which sometimes has a ganja iras and no prabot). But isn't dapur chengkrong or cengkrong different to my keris ?

24th February 2009, 05:43 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	The deep pitting would seem to indicate that Sjors .

24th February 2009, 08:58 PM	#5
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	The tip has been reshaped indeed. The signs of that actions are clearly visible. I don't think the blade has been treated with accid to give it an older look, but to remove the rust. I think this keris would look completely different when it would be stained again with warangan.

25th February 2009, 10:30 PM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	The first book of Tammens can give a nice indentification of a dapur. I learnt however in the past that pinning a blade down in a dapur is rather tricky. Alan Maisey gave some magnificent examples of this behaviour.