Balinese hilt

Marcokeris · 8th October 2012, 02:15 PM

Delem, one of the four Panakawan of the Balinese Wayang Parwa

David · 8th October 2012, 05:00 PM

Nice hilt....so is Delem a variation of the name Twalen?

A. G. Maisey · 9th October 2012, 12:10 AM

David, in Bali wayang Twalen equates to Semar in Javanese wayang. Twalen and Merdah were the punakawan of the Pandawas, and Delem and Sangut were the punakawans of the Kurawas. I think Delem is probably Bagong, but I don't really know, because I really know very little about the intricacies of wayang, especially Balinese wayang.

David · 9th October 2012, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

David, in Bali wayang Twalen equates to Semar in Javanese wayang. Twalen and Merdah were the punakawan of the Pandawas, and Delem and Sangut were the punakawans of the Kurawas. I think Delem is probably Bagong, but I don't really know, because I really know very little about the intricacies of wayang, especially Balinese wayang.

Thanks Alan. The reason i asked this is because this hilt has features, like the wide spaces two teeth, that i would normal associate with Twalen.

A. G. Maisey · 9th October 2012, 03:53 AM

Bagong is Semar's son, so I guess Delem is Twalen's son. Family resemblance?

David · 9th October 2012, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Bagong is Semar's son, so I guess Delem is Twalen's son. Family resemblance?

Then you would agree that this is a depiction of Delem...i know sometimes you are hesitant to pin names on these Balinese figural hilts...

A. G. Maisey · 9th October 2012, 05:56 AM

I guess it could be, to me father and son look alike. Undoubtedly there is iconography attached to both that permits distinction to be made, but I'm no wayang expert. If Marco reckons its Delem, he was probably told that by the seller, and the seller if he was in Bali, undoubtedly knows more than all of us put together.

David · 9th October 2012, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I guess it could be, to me father and son look alike. Undoubtedly there is iconography attached to both that permits distinction to be made, but I'm no wayang expert. If Marco reckons its Delem, he was probably told that by the seller, and the seller if he was in Bali, undoubtedly knows more than all of us put together.

I can go with that...

Rick · 9th October 2012, 05:21 PM

So, does anyone think this hilt might have been painted once ?

Sajen · 9th October 2012, 06:33 PM

Look like it have had once gold paint on.

Marco will be able to tell us more.

BTW, nice hilt Marco!

Marcokeris · 9th October 2012, 07:34 PM

Mr. Stanley Hendrawidjaja told me that this penakawan is Delem. I have only understand that he was a Penakawan ( for the hair)

Marcokeris · 9th October 2012, 07:36 PM

Sorry... No paint before... Is the pattern of the wood

GIO · 10th October 2012, 05:16 PM

Good find, Marco.
A nice addition to your collection

8th October 2012, 02:15 PM	#1
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Balinese hilt Delem, one of the four Panakawan of the Balinese Wayang Parwa Attached Images

8th October 2012, 05:00 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,123	Nice hilt....so is Delem a variation of the name Twalen?

9th October 2012, 12:10 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	David, in Bali wayang Twalen equates to Semar in Javanese wayang. Twalen and Merdah were the punakawan of the Pandawas, and Delem and Sangut were the punakawans of the Kurawas. I think Delem is probably Bagong, but I don't really know, because I really know very little about the intricacies of wayang, especially Balinese wayang.

9th October 2012, 03:53 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	Bagong is Semar's son, so I guess Delem is Twalen's son. Family resemblance?

9th October 2012, 05:56 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	I guess it could be, to me father and son look alike. Undoubtedly there is iconography attached to both that permits distinction to be made, but I'm no wayang expert. If Marco reckons its Delem, he was probably told that by the seller, and the seller if he was in Bali, undoubtedly knows more than all of us put together.

9th October 2012, 05:21 PM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	So, does anyone think this hilt might have been painted once ?

9th October 2012, 06:33 PM	#10
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Look like it have had once gold paint on. Marco will be able to tell us more. BTW, nice hilt Marco!

9th October 2012, 07:34 PM	#11
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Mr. Stanley Hendrawidjaja told me that this penakawan is Delem. I have only understand that he was a Penakawan ( for the hair)

9th October 2012, 07:36 PM	#12
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Sorry... No paint before... Is the pattern of the wood

10th October 2012, 05:16 PM	#13
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 313	Good find, Marco. A nice addition to your collection