29th February 2020, 11:27 AM | #1 |
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2 Javanese krisses
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These 2 blades (in Djogjakarta dress) are coming my way. Pics from seller. Attracted by the elegant blades and wonder what dapur we see. It is a 7 luk and a 3 luk (usually called Jangkung). The last strech of the 7 luk is quite straight (I know this feature is present in a Megantara blade but there is no further similarity). Pamor is standard Beras wutah of Ngulit semangka? Hope anybody will enlight me. |
29th February 2020, 01:09 PM | #2 |
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layers pamor (from pic) seems Beras Wutah
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29th February 2020, 01:53 PM | #3 |
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5 luks and not 3? This dapur could be identified as Balebang according to the EK.
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29th February 2020, 03:59 PM | #5 |
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Somehow it troubles me to count the faint luk.
Left is 7 luk (or 6 but then luk 7 is worn?). Right one 3 luk? Which is the Balebang then Jean? |
29th February 2020, 04:46 PM | #6 |
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Paul, i see a 7 luk keris on the left and a 5 luk keris on the right. A faint luk is still a luk and keris always have an odd number of luk even if time has worn its obvious completion away.
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If I may contribute my two cents worth: in my unlearned and inexperienced opinion, my first impression of the keris in the middle photo is that the luk all have a certain "straightness and angularity"; there is no smoothly flowing, graceful curvature, to my eye. I haven't yet had a look at the ricikan, but if and/or when I do so, I suspect they will either confirm or not confirm a hypothesis I've formed about the "angular straightness" of the luk. Until then, it might be best not to "put my foot in it" any deeper than I already have, or to go out any further on an untried limb.
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1st March 2020, 11:27 AM | #10 |
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At my PC modem there is no 'middle' picture (we have had this discussion before). So you mean the 5 luk kris.
Luk kemba (so faint flowing) yes, but angular ?? I would not call 'm that way. Last edited by Paul B.; 1st March 2020 at 02:04 PM. |
3rd March 2020, 10:40 AM | #11 |
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Yes, the five luk keris is the one I was referring to. Sometimes I'm suspicious without cause. Sometimes I'm overly trusting without any reason to be so. Two separate instances comes to mind when I took something for granted, or made a baseless assumption. After taking delivery of the articles, I discovered that things which I had assumed or taken for granted were not, in fact, so. On neither occasion did I say anything about the matter, because I was aware that I'd not adhered to what might be considered the two cardinal rules for the buyer (of anything): 1) Ask questions first. 2) Buyer beware.
"Fabricación nacional": allows the buyer to deceive himself. If the buyer does not ask, "Manufactured in what nation"? he has no business complaining if he finds a label that says "Made in China" instead of the "Hecho en chile" which he expected. It's possible the vendor might lie outright if asked a direct question. About 26 years ago I was in a store shopping for a certain article. The shopkeeper informed me of a heavily discounted model. My first question was, "What's wrong with it"? The shopkeeper denied that anything was wrong with it, and appeared offended. I bought the article, and 26 years later, I still haven't found a single thing wrong with it. I've acquired keris billed as antique which I was (and still am) convinced were made no earlier than two years before I acquired them. One was marketed as a Balinese dhapur Balebang, with a kembang kacang about halfway down the wilah. It doesn't fit any dhapur in any book I've ever consulted. I bought it because I thought it was interesting, and I have no regrets. If anything is marketed as having belonged to "a senior abdi dalem of the Solokarta Court", that's a different matter altogether, and I'll pass on it, sight unseen. |
3rd March 2020, 06:01 PM | #12 |
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Hmmm, noted with thanks but what is the relationship with the 2 krisses?
Seller did not have any clue (you can see the wrong straight position of the hilt at both krisses and the third he sold to somebody else) and is not a kris seller ...and no 'to good to be true stories' involved. |
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BTW, i too would be skeptical of anyone claiming that a keris they were selling was once owned by "a senior abdi dalem of the Solokarta Court", mostly because there is no court i know of called "Solokarta". It is either "Surakarta" or "Solo". See the dhapur in the middle of this illustration. It might match your mystery dhapur. |
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