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Has been a while not logging in here due to work restriction.
I thought I can share this lovely ivory Palembang hilt. Still looking crisp but yet have some age patina to it. Probably not very old. I was actually impressed by the deep, small and detail carvings. Was told that the art of carving like this is as good as 'dead' there. Interestingly, I also noticed that the buah pinang is actually carved from a separate ivory and joined together in such delicate manner that both fits very well and tight. Very smart and beautifully executed since the carver has restriction of ivory material (maybe?). |
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Lovely!
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very lovely
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Very beautiful.
I wonder how much it takes time to make something like this? ![]() Thanks, J. |
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Good work!
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I heard that in Indonesia carvers are using dental drills. This one is very finely carved. I assume that this is real manual work. But can someone confirm this ? Best regards, Willem |
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Willem, i'm not sure how one would ever know for sure unless they knew the carver. Personally i think tools are just that. I don't think it lessens the artistry of the work if modern tools are involved as long as the artist knows how to properly use them.
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I agree with David!
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A friend ever brought a similar ivory piece to a late mastercarver in Kelantan (northern Malaysia) and hope to seek some pointers how a mranggi would achieved something like this. The explaination he got was pretty simple - he (the mranggi or carver) is very skillful and definite got his special knife or tools in order to carve like that.
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This specific hilt has some very fine lines and curls that end 'pointed'. I assume that with only a dental drill this would not be possible... ? |
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Hi all, I'm carving a Bali togogan in ivory at the moment and I use a dremel with dental type burrs to get the outline and then refine any cuts (if they need a pointed end to them) with small knives and awls. Newsteel-that hilt is fantastic!
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Interesting. could you post some pictures of your carving. I think it would be intersting to see what a dermel can do and what traditional tools than can add to that. Best regards, Willem |
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Hi Willem, here's some snaps of how he looks roughed out with an angle grinder, dremel with milling cutters/burrs and then with a little work with knives. I still have some to do with the dremel yet-I've been trying to get his hands right using fine blades to make his fingers/pancanaka thumb.
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Lemmy, you blow my mind .
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Lemmy,
Impressive already even in this unfinished state. Would love to see the further prorgess in due time. The selut is silver ? Best regards, Willem |
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Thanks guys!!
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Lemmy, it would be interesting if you started a thread on this project and kept us updated .
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Yes, please!
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Lemmy, is that your hamster on your avatar!? Is it real?
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Hi Bluerf, that's a photo I was emailed-originally titled "I do think it will fit" it's not been photoshopped, a hamster I had could "pouch" a full pecan nut with shell. He looked pretty much like the one in the avatar!!
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