Unknown Philippine knife

Ian · 16th May 2005, 12:13 AM

This is a large heavy knife with some age that comes from the Philippines. The blade is 3/8 inch thick at the hilt and V-ground. A light etch shows a laminated construction. The hilt is quite long, with a carved animal head (? naga) and a small iron ferrule. A single woven rattan band remains on the hilt but there was probably another band in the groove close to the end of the handle.

A well made, heavy knife. Any thoughts from where in the Philippines this may have come?

OAL = 20 inches. Blade = 12 1/4 inches. Maximum width = 1 1/4 inches.

Ian.

Andrew · 16th May 2005, 03:20 AM

That's really neat, Ian. The blade reminds me of a barung. Smaller, of course, but the profile and construction have the look.

Any reason why this couldn't be Moro?

Ian · 16th May 2005, 05:10 AM

Thanks Andrew.

Moro is a possibility, but not really like anything I've seen before.

Justin · 16th May 2005, 02:36 PM

Mike has a similar knife althought it isnt damascus,he says his is Negrito in origin.

Ian · 16th May 2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin

Mike has a similar knife althought it isnt damascus,he says his is Negrito in origin.

Thanks Justin.

Most of the "Negrito" bolos seem to come from the area to the north of Manila, in the vicinity of the old US bases (Clarke AFB and Subic Bay Naval Base), or from Baguio to the north of there, or from the Ilocos provinces even further to the north. The V-grind to the edge would be consistent with those areas also.

Based on its appearance, I'm more inclined to think my knife is from Central or Northern Luzon than from a Moro area.

Ian.

Federico · 17th May 2005, 10:52 PM

My gut is telling Xtian, possibly Luzon. Is it partial tang? My feeling from the pics is that it is, and that plus the rattan work makes me think Visaya. But the gut just wants to say Luzon or maybe its just the adobo I ate last night speaking to me.

Ian · 17th May 2005, 11:04 PM

Blind (partial) tang construction.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Federico

My gut is telling Xtian, possibly Luzon. Is it partial tang? My feeling from the pics is that it is, and that plus the rattan work makes me think Visaya. But the gut just wants to say Luzon or maybe its just the adobo I ate last night speaking to me.

Conogre · 18th May 2005, 04:14 AM

Here's the one that I have that's tenativeley ID'd only as a "negito bolo" (thans for the heads up, Justin), 14 1/4" OA with an 8 3/8" blade, partial tang, with no ferule of any kind and no pattern evident in the blade, although I've not tried to etch it.
The scabbard came with it and has a similar patina and coloration, but I'm still not convinced it's original to the blade or even made for it, although they've clearly been together for many years (16 1/2" OA in sheath).
The general blade shape and hilt shape "feel" very similar, although this hilt was never pierced, and the simpler, plainer steel, even though hand forged and lack of ferule make me suspect that yours is a trifle more "civilized" than this one.....what are your thoughts on areas of origin?
Mike

16th May 2005, 12:13 AM	#1
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,204	Unknown Philippine knife This is a large heavy knife with some age that comes from the Philippines. The blade is 3/8 inch thick at the hilt and V-ground. A light etch shows a laminated construction. The hilt is quite long, with a carved animal head (? naga) and a small iron ferrule. A single woven rattan band remains on the hilt but there was probably another band in the groove close to the end of the handle. A well made, heavy knife. Any thoughts from where in the Philippines this may have come? OAL = 20 inches. Blade = 12 1/4 inches. Maximum width = 1 1/4 inches. Ian. Last edited by Ian; 16th May 2005 at 05:08 AM.

18th May 2005, 04:14 AM	#8
Conogre Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 371	Here's the one that I have that's tenativeley ID'd only as a "negito bolo" (thans for the heads up, Justin), 14 1/4" OA with an 8 3/8" blade, partial tang, with no ferule of any kind and no pattern evident in the blade, although I've not tried to etch it. The scabbard came with it and has a similar patina and coloration, but I'm still not convinced it's original to the blade or even made for it, although they've clearly been together for many years (16 1/2" OA in sheath). The general blade shape and hilt shape "feel" very similar, although this hilt was never pierced, and the simpler, plainer steel, even though hand forged and lack of ferule make me suspect that yours is a trifle more "civilized" than this one.....what are your thoughts on areas of origin? Mike Attached Images

16th May 2005, 03:20 AM	#2
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	That's really neat, Ian. The blade reminds me of a barung. Smaller, of course, but the profile and construction have the look. Any reason why this couldn't be Moro?

16th May 2005, 05:10 AM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,204	Thanks Andrew. Moro is a possibility, but not really like anything I've seen before.

16th May 2005, 02:36 PM	#4
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 175	Mike has a similar knife althought it isnt damascus,he says his is Negrito in origin.

17th May 2005, 10:52 PM	#6
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	My gut is telling Xtian, possibly Luzon. Is it partial tang? My feeling from the pics is that it is, and that plus the rattan work makes me think Visaya. But the gut just wants to say Luzon or maybe its just the adobo I ate last night speaking to me.