Shibriya

Hombre · 20th May 2020, 11:23 AM

I got this in a parcel today....
Nothing fantastic but for me interesting....
Should really appreciate your opinions about it....

Best,
Stefan

Kubur · 20th May 2020, 03:24 PM

My opinion?
Nothing fantastic

with an ugly repair
You can't win everytime!

Is an European soup tin that they use to do the sheat?

Hombre · 20th May 2020, 04:55 PM

Thank you, Kubur for your opinions....
Sometimes you lose and sometimes you win....

Anyway, I think it has character and as you know.... the beauty is in the eye of the beholder....

Best,
Stefan

Battara · 20th May 2020, 07:08 PM

Here's the problem - this repair was done with lead in soft solder. The silver/tin/white metal is so thin that to do it in hard solder would burn up the entire hilt. Repairs like this were common for this reason on many other knives of this region.

motan · 21st May 2020, 06:59 PM

Hi Stefan.
Don't be too disappointed. I have seen much worse and even own some that too ugly to show here, but to me they are still worth more than fantasy bazaar pieces because they are authentic ethnographic items.
What you have is a Palestinian shibriya. Although many resemble Jordanian shibriyas, they are slightly different. Typical are the primitive make, the thick robust blade and the simple style of decoration. Many Palestinian and Sinai shibriyas have parts made with modern materials such as plastic, can tin and electrical wire.
It could be that the scabbard is later than the dagger because the style of decoration of the hilt is older and more unusual. In contrast to what others say, the foil of the hilt could be silver - if it is, it should be very thin.
Many of the Bedouins of the Negev and Sinai are desperately poor and make their weapons in extremely primitive conditions.

Sajen · 21st May 2020, 09:48 PM

Hi Stefan,

I agree with Motan, it's an authentic ethnograhic weapon and the repair only shows that it was used and needed therefore repair.

And with a little TLC it will look much better!

Regards,
Detlef

Hombre · 22nd May 2020, 10:04 AM

Thank you so very much for your opinions and thank you motan.
I really appreciate it!

Best,
Stefan

shayde78 · 25th May 2020, 04:21 AM

A humble, yet serviceable and dutiful knife. It looks to have served its owner well for a good long time. It deserves a good home and some TLC.

20th May 2020, 11:23 AM	#1
Hombre Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 232	Shibriya I got this in a parcel today.... Nothing fantastic but for me interesting.... Should really appreciate your opinions about it.... Best, Stefan Attached Images

20th May 2020, 04:55 PM	#3
Hombre Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 232	Thank you, Kubur for your opinions.... Sometimes you lose and sometimes you win.... Anyway, I think it has character and as you know.... the beauty is in the eye of the beholder.... Best, Stefan Last edited by Hombre; 20th May 2020 at 05:21 PM.

20th May 2020, 03:24 PM	#2
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	My opinion? Nothing fantastic with an ugly repair You can't win everytime! Is an European soup tin that they use to do the sheat?

20th May 2020, 07:08 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	Here's the problem - this repair was done with lead in soft solder. The silver/tin/white metal is so thin that to do it in hard solder would burn up the entire hilt. Repairs like this were common for this reason on many other knives of this region.

21st May 2020, 06:59 PM	#5
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Hi Stefan. Don't be too disappointed. I have seen much worse and even own some that too ugly to show here, but to me they are still worth more than fantasy bazaar pieces because they are authentic ethnographic items. What you have is a Palestinian shibriya. Although many resemble Jordanian shibriyas, they are slightly different. Typical are the primitive make, the thick robust blade and the simple style of decoration. Many Palestinian and Sinai shibriyas have parts made with modern materials such as plastic, can tin and electrical wire. It could be that the scabbard is later than the dagger because the style of decoration of the hilt is older and more unusual. In contrast to what others say, the foil of the hilt could be silver - if it is, it should be very thin. Many of the Bedouins of the Negev and Sinai are desperately poor and make their weapons in extremely primitive conditions.

21st May 2020, 09:48 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hi Stefan, I agree with Motan, it's an authentic ethnograhic weapon and the repair only shows that it was used and needed therefore repair. And with a little TLC it will look much better! Regards, Detlef

22nd May 2020, 10:04 AM	#7
Hombre Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 232	Thank you so very much for your opinions and thank you motan. I really appreciate it! Best, Stefan

25th May 2020, 04:21 AM	#8
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	A humble, yet serviceable and dutiful knife. It looks to have served its owner well for a good long time. It deserves a good home and some TLC.