STYRIAN RIDING SWORD

DavidIEvans · 19th March 2018, 10:45 AM

I tripped across this article online https://www.ceeol.com/search/article-detail?id=515378 and downloaded for a read as the style of sword is interesting to me. Attached is images of other versions of the same hilt style. Has anyone seen any more exampled or images of this style and any other details ?

Victrix · 19th March 2018, 08:00 PM

Hi David, when I visited the Heeresgeschichtliches (Army) Museum in Vienna last Christmas I encountered a number of such swords which were described as ”Haudegen, 16 J.h.” (see photo). This means cutting swords, 16thC. I understand these were massproduced munitions grade swords for cavalry (not light). Austria armed itself profusely in 16-17thC to meet the threat from the Ottomans along its South-Eastern border, which resulted in the Armoury of Graz now having the largest collection of historical arms in the world I believe. I hope to visit the Armoury at Graz sometime.

The sword pictured in the article you linked to seems to have its tip broken off? Or otherwise it looks like it could have been altered into an execution sword?

DavidIEvans · 20th March 2018, 11:57 AM

Looks like the images didn't attach so here they are

Victrix · 20th March 2018, 04:44 PM

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Looks like the images didn't attach so here they are

That’s interesting. Possibly a Flemish cousin to the Haudegen above? Yours has only one downward turned quillon and what appears in the photo to be a thumbring? Also, your sword looks like a lighter version, early 17thC perhaps? Would it be possible to see a photo of the whole sword, or the rest of the blade, and know the vital measurements?

fernando · 20th March 2018, 05:32 PM

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... Would it be possible to see a photo of the whole sword ? ...

Yes ... vital !

DavidIEvans · 21st March 2018, 03:11 PM

I found these images here so I've emailed for details

http://www.historica-arma.de/histori...um-1620-nr-99/

DavidIEvans · 21st March 2018, 03:41 PM

There's also this one

http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....tic_W_GB&co=19

DavidIEvans · 21st March 2018, 03:56 PM

Have a look here at this painting. Centre left one figure stood looking down at the figure kneeling, just to their right laid on the floor

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2d/23...56193aa40a.jpg

DavidIEvans · 21st March 2018, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Victrix

That’s interesting. Possibly a Flemish cousin to the Haudegen above? Yours has only one downward turned quillon and what appears in the photo to be a thumbring? Also, your sword looks like a lighter version, early 17thC perhaps? Would it be possible to see a photo of the whole sword, or the rest of the blade, and know the vital measurements?

Try here

http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....db=kat47_2.txt

fernando · 21st March 2018, 06:29 PM

David, you have a PM.

19th March 2018, 10:45 AM	#1
DavidIEvans Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 18	STYRIAN RIDING SWORD I tripped across this article online https://www.ceeol.com/search/article-detail?id=515378 and downloaded for a read as the style of sword is interesting to me. Attached is images of other versions of the same hilt style. Has anyone seen any more exampled or images of this style and any other details ?

19th March 2018, 08:00 PM	#2
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 695	Hi David, when I visited the Heeresgeschichtliches (Army) Museum in Vienna last Christmas I encountered a number of such swords which were described as ”Haudegen, 16 J.h.” (see photo). This means cutting swords, 16thC. I understand these were massproduced munitions grade swords for cavalry (not light). Austria armed itself profusely in 16-17thC to meet the threat from the Ottomans along its South-Eastern border, which resulted in the Armoury of Graz now having the largest collection of historical arms in the world I believe. I hope to visit the Armoury at Graz sometime. The sword pictured in the article you linked to seems to have its tip broken off? Or otherwise it looks like it could have been altered into an execution sword? Attached Images Last edited by Victrix; 19th March 2018 at 10:15 PM.

20th March 2018, 11:57 AM	#3
DavidIEvans Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 18	Images as promised Looks like the images didn't attach so here they are Attached Images

21st March 2018, 03:11 PM	#6
DavidIEvans Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 18	sword I found these images here so I've emailed for details http://www.historica-arma.de/histori...um-1620-nr-99/

21st March 2018, 03:41 PM	#7
DavidIEvans Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 18	Another one There's also this one http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....tic_W_GB&co=19

21st March 2018, 03:56 PM	#8
DavidIEvans Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 18	Depicted in paintings Have a look here at this painting. Centre left one figure stood looking down at the figure kneeling, just to their right laid on the floor https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2d/23...56193aa40a.jpg

21st March 2018, 06:29 PM	#10
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	David, you have a PM.