Interesting Salawar Yataghan For Comment

Lew · 24th March 2006, 05:16 AM

Hi Guys

Just picked this up tonight. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting

The seller claims it says 1230 on the blade but it looks like 1930 to me? The liners look to me like Aluminum so in 1815 which is the corresponding year would be too far back for the maker to use that metal on the knife. Still an interesting piece.

Lew

not2sharp · 24th March 2006, 06:08 AM

It looks like the blade may have been shortend to 12-inches from a more typical khyber length. Certainly, another one of those with a bit of history to it.

n2s

Lew · 24th March 2006, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by not2sharp

It looks like the blade may have been shortend to 12-inches from a more typical khyber length. Certainly, another one of those with a bit of history to it.

n2s

n2s
I must disagree the blade tip looks right and it has the right arc in the edge. If it were shortened the profile would be off. Its just a shortened form of that type of knife.

Lew

Yannis · 24th March 2006, 07:37 AM

Very interesting piece.
IMHO it is 1930. Western calendar. It matches with latin letters. I suppose they used to give prestige to a local factory. Afghanis used to copy western rifles, british mostly, and their trademarks.
What it puzzles me are these marks like "cuts" on the hilt. They look they made after market and on purpose. They do not look like natural age marks. Did anyone was counting something?

not2sharp · 24th March 2006, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yannis

Very interesting piece.
What it puzzles me are these marks like "cuts" on the hilt. They look they made after market and on purpose. They do not look like natural age marks. Did anyone was counting something?

I am not sure which marks you are referring to.

Can anyone identify the crest on the sheath?

n2s

ariel · 24th March 2006, 09:35 AM

For inscription Razmak, see this:
http://www.queensroyalsurreys.org.uk...india45_1.html
Also " sellers" on top, and date 1930

Lew · 24th March 2006, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

For inscription Razmak, see this:
http://www.queensroyalsurreys.org.uk...india45_1.html
Also " sellers" on top, and date 1930

Ariel

I see what Razmak is but could not find sellers? Btw those marks on the horn are natural inclusions maybe from mountain sheep horn?

Lew

Valjhun · 24th March 2006, 02:37 PM

I do not think that the blade is shortened, as Louie said before. As far as i know khybers come in two sizes. The smaller ones with big pommels and the longer ones with small pommels. In other words, observing thoose knifes I came to a conclusion that the shorter will be the blade the more pronounced would be the pommel. Am I right?

Tim Simmons · 24th March 2006, 02:48 PM

I do not think it is altered ; Khyber knives come in all sizes within groups small, medium and the very large ones.

Valjhun · 24th March 2006, 03:35 PM

Small ones are known as choora.

Lew · 24th March 2006, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valjhun

Small ones are known as choora.

This one is not a choora or pesh due to wide blade profile. Pesh and choora have a narrow tapered profile this blade has belly to it for slashing a nice mix of both styles of weapons.

Lew

Valjhun · 24th March 2006, 05:44 PM

Yes, sure. Thatone is a kyber, I know the difference. and it is certainly not a mix. It is a distinctive type of two predominantly types of khyber knife. The longer ones come with small pommel and the smaller khybers (precisely thatone) has a wide pommel.

not2sharp · 25th March 2006, 02:34 PM

This is the knife from post 1. It has a 12-inch blade and is 16-inches in OAL.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

This one is not a choora or pesh due to wide blade profile. Pesh and choora have a narrow tapered profile this blade has belly to it for slashing a nice mix of both styles of weapons.

Lew

This is an oversized chorra from the Oriental Arms site. It has a 16 inch blade, with a T-spine, but is much more of a piercing weapon.

n2s

Lew · 27th March 2006, 11:28 PM

Hi All

I picked up the knife today. It's very well made and still quite sharp! I emailed the website posted above to see if they can discover who this Mr. Sellers is. I should have an answer in a few weeks.

Lew

ariel · 27th March 2006, 11:54 PM

Sometime ago, I posted a question about 2 different pommels on Khybers: the usual( semicircular top) and the one we see on Lew's new acqusition ( looking like a little boot).
Razmak is on the border between Mahsud and Waziristan. Since the usual pommel type is Mahsudi, could we derive from that that the boot-like one is more Waziri?

24th March 2006, 05:16 AM	#1
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Interesting Salawar Yataghan For Comment Hi Guys Just picked this up tonight. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting The seller claims it says 1230 on the blade but it looks like 1930 to me? The liners look to me like Aluminum so in 1815 which is the corresponding year would be too far back for the maker to use that metal on the knife. Still an interesting piece. Lew

24th March 2006, 06:08 AM	#2
not2sharp Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 210	It looks like the blade may have been shortend to 12-inches from a more typical khyber length. Certainly, another one of those with a bit of history to it. n2s

24th March 2006, 07:37 AM	#4
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	Very interesting piece. IMHO it is 1930. Western calendar. It matches with latin letters. I suppose they used to give prestige to a local factory. Afghanis used to copy western rifles, british mostly, and their trademarks. What it puzzles me are these marks like "cuts" on the hilt. They look they made after market and on purpose. They do not look like natural age marks. Did anyone was counting something?

24th March 2006, 09:35 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	For inscription Razmak, see this: http://www.queensroyalsurreys.org.uk...india45_1.html Also " sellers" on top, and date 1930

24th March 2006, 02:37 PM	#8
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	I do not think that the blade is shortened, as Louie said before. As far as i know khybers come in two sizes. The smaller ones with big pommels and the longer ones with small pommels. In other words, observing thoose knifes I came to a conclusion that the shorter will be the blade the more pronounced would be the pommel. Am I right?

24th March 2006, 02:48 PM	#9
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	I do not think it is altered ; Khyber knives come in all sizes within groups small, medium and the very large ones.

24th March 2006, 03:35 PM	#10
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Small ones are known as choora.

24th March 2006, 05:44 PM	#12
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Yes, sure. Thatone is a kyber, I know the difference. and it is certainly not a mix. It is a distinctive type of two predominantly types of khyber knife. The longer ones come with small pommel and the smaller khybers (precisely thatone) has a wide pommel.

27th March 2006, 11:28 PM	#14
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Hi All I picked up the knife today. It's very well made and still quite sharp! I emailed the website posted above to see if they can discover who this Mr. Sellers is. I should have an answer in a few weeks. Lew

27th March 2006, 11:54 PM	#15
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Sometime ago, I posted a question about 2 different pommels on Khybers: the usual( semicircular top) and the one we see on Lew's new acqusition ( looking like a little boot). Razmak is on the border between Mahsud and Waziristan. Since the usual pommel type is Mahsudi, could we derive from that that the boot-like one is more Waziri?