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Marcokeris · 22nd January 2019, 11:35 AM

Interesting video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=SFEsHfG9kQE

Sajen · 22nd January 2019, 01:05 PM

Thank you for posting this IFICAH video Marco. I've met Dietrich Drescher 1994 on Bali, indeed a very knowledge person.

Regards,
Detlef

David · 23rd January 2019, 02:53 AM

Thanks Marco. I've been waiting a long time for them to put this up with English subtitles. I hadn't checked back in a while. Good to finally check this out!

A. G. Maisey · 23rd January 2019, 04:22 AM

Well, I watched it.

I took me nearly 2 hours, because I took notes and kept on stopping it and going back to check.

Frankly, I am surprised.

I will make no comment, but what others may have to say will interest me.

A. G. Maisey · 23rd January 2019, 05:32 AM

There is a place in the discussion where Mr. Drescher mentions Pamor Poleng Wengkon, and Yosoroto ( a kampung in Solo) but is unable to recall the name of the pande with whom he worked in Yosoroto.

That Pande was Empu Pauzan Pusposukadgo, or as he preferred to be titled "Pande Seni Keris Pauzan Pusposukadgo" .

I seem to recall that this keris was presented to a Government Minister, Surono, at a ceremony held at the ASKI in Solo, in 1979.

Mr. Drescher designed this pamor motif, and Pauzan Pusposukadgo made the keris. Below is a photo of the keris, and the working drawings provided by Mr. Drescher detailing its construction.

A. G. Maisey · 23rd January 2019, 07:08 AM

I noted that the titanium herring was mentioned in this interview.

China has the world's largest reserves of titanium, and 14% of China's iron ore reserves contain titanium and vanadium. In fact, titanium is present on earth at a level of about 0.6% which places it in fourth place of structural metals after aluminium, iron and magnesium.

The role of China in the development of Javanese culture, technology, society and religion has been vastly underestimated.

This link will show exactly where early Javanese smiths got the material for their products, and when considered together with the nature of that material that they used will explain the development of pamor.

https://maritimeasia.ws/topic/iron.html

During the Early Classical Period there was high input to Javanese culture and society from the Indian Sub-continent, but during the East Jawa period Chinese involvement in Javanese affairs played an increasingly important role.

David · 23rd January 2019, 05:39 PM

Thanks for this supplemental information Alan, especially both the image and the working drawings of the Empu Pauzan Pusposukadgo keris.

22nd January 2019, 11:35 AM	#1
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	IFICAH Interesting video https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=SFEsHfG9kQE

23rd January 2019, 05:32 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,897	There is a place in the discussion where Mr. Drescher mentions Pamor Poleng Wengkon, and Yosoroto ( a kampung in Solo) but is unable to recall the name of the pande with whom he worked in Yosoroto. That Pande was Empu Pauzan Pusposukadgo, or as he preferred to be titled "Pande Seni Keris Pauzan Pusposukadgo" . I seem to recall that this keris was presented to a Government Minister, Surono, at a ceremony held at the ASKI in Solo, in 1979. Mr. Drescher designed this pamor motif, and Pauzan Pusposukadgo made the keris. Below is a photo of the keris, and the working drawings provided by Mr. Drescher detailing its construction. Attached Images

23rd January 2019, 07:08 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,897	I noted that the titanium herring was mentioned in this interview. China has the world's largest reserves of titanium, and 14% of China's iron ore reserves contain titanium and vanadium. In fact, titanium is present on earth at a level of about 0.6% which places it in fourth place of structural metals after aluminium, iron and magnesium. The role of China in the development of Javanese culture, technology, society and religion has been vastly underestimated. This link will show exactly where early Javanese smiths got the material for their products, and when considered together with the nature of that material that they used will explain the development of pamor. https://maritimeasia.ws/topic/iron.html During the Early Classical Period there was high input to Javanese culture and society from the Indian Sub-continent, but during the East Jawa period Chinese involvement in Javanese affairs played an increasingly important role. Last edited by A. G. Maisey; 23rd January 2019 at 12:25 PM. Reason: add link

22nd January 2019, 01:05 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,794	Thank you for posting this IFICAH video Marco. I've met Dietrich Drescher 1994 on Bali, indeed a very knowledge person. Regards, Detlef

23rd January 2019, 02:53 AM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,127	Thanks Marco. I've been waiting a long time for them to put this up with English subtitles. I hadn't checked back in a while. Good to finally check this out!

23rd January 2019, 04:22 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,897	Well, I watched it. I took me nearly 2 hours, because I took notes and kept on stopping it and going back to check. Frankly, I am surprised. I will make no comment, but what others may have to say will interest me.

23rd January 2019, 05:39 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,127	Thanks for this supplemental information Alan, especially both the image and the working drawings of the Empu Pauzan Pusposukadgo keris.