Yataghan for Translation

G. Mansfield · 30th December 2019, 10:12 PM

Hello everybody, I bought myself a little Christmas present but I am unable to read it unfortunately. I am looking for somebody who can translate. Hopefully, a town, maker and/or owner in the script. On the spine I can interpret a date of 1241=(1825). I am not fully positive, but I am thinking this example to be Ottoman Turkish with Persian styling gold writing, blackened blade with a deep fuller, silver ornaments, and walrus grips. Total length is approximately 75.6cm

Regards,
-Geoff

G. Mansfield · 30th December 2019, 10:16 PM

Forgot two of the whole sword

Battara · 31st December 2019, 03:18 AM

What wonderful koftgari work!

mariusgmioc · 31st December 2019, 09:09 AM

What a beauty! Congratulations!

kwiatek · 2nd January 2020, 01:14 PM

Beautiful!

The larger inscription in two lines are a Turkish couplet, which I've seen on other pieces of this date and type

ياقلاشمه يانمه سيف سياستمله يانارسين
زخمني كوردكده جراح مومله ارارسين

"Do not approach my side, for you will be burnt by my sword of punishment,
On seeing the wound, you will urgently seek a surgeon."

In the cartouche next to this towards the hilt is the maker/owner's name. This is not very clear from the photo, but a better image would help. What I think it is, is:

عمل صاحب ماناو علي آغا زاده صالح

'Work of the owner, Salih, son of Manav Ali Agha."

In the cartouche on the spine is the date

(سنة ٢٤١(١

"Year (1)241 (1825-6)"

As is often the case with the Ottomans, the initial 1 for the millennium is missing

G. Mansfield · 3rd January 2020, 09:51 PM

Thank You Kwiatek for the translation and everyone else for the positive feedback. This item is one of the nicer ones in my collection. As per request Kwiatek, Attached is a closer image of the cartouche with writing. I hope this helps! Many thanks in advance.

Best,
-Geoff

kwiatek · 4th January 2020, 11:09 AM

That's much clearer. The initial reading of the owner's/maker's name as "Manav Ali Agha-zade Salih (Salih, son of Manav Ali Agha)" is correct

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 17th January 2020, 06:09 PM

Dear Kwiatek,

I would just like to say how much your very hard work is being received and how important it is to have such excellent translations delivered at almost the press of a button … Your translations are superb. Not only that but you fully appreciate the nuances in Arabic and how it plays out across neighboring regions. Thank you very much.

ariel · 18th January 2020, 01:39 AM

Totally naive question: isn’t “ Zade” Persian?

kwiatek · 18th January 2020, 04:41 PM

Thank you Ibrahim, I am sure you will pick up on a lot of mistakes too, so please correct them when you notice them!

In answer to Ariel's question, yes zade is Persian, but it's also found in Ottoman Turkish. Probably a good third of Ottoman Turkish vocabulary has a Persian origin.

30th December 2019, 10:12 PM	#1
G. Mansfield Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 83	Yataghan for Translation Hello everybody, I bought myself a little Christmas present but I am unable to read it unfortunately. I am looking for somebody who can translate. Hopefully, a town, maker and/or owner in the script. On the spine I can interpret a date of 1241=(1825). I am not fully positive, but I am thinking this example to be Ottoman Turkish with Persian styling gold writing, blackened blade with a deep fuller, silver ornaments, and walrus grips. Total length is approximately 75.6cm Regards, -Geoff Attached Images

30th December 2019, 10:16 PM	#2
G. Mansfield Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 83	Forgot two of the whole sword Attached Images

3rd January 2020, 09:51 PM	#6
G. Mansfield Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 83	Thank You Kwiatek for the translation and everyone else for the positive feedback. This item is one of the nicer ones in my collection. As per request Kwiatek, Attached is a closer image of the cartouche with writing. I hope this helps! Many thanks in advance. Best, -Geoff Attached Images

31st December 2019, 03:18 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	What wonderful koftgari work!

31st December 2019, 09:09 AM	#4
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	What a beauty! Congratulations!

2nd January 2020, 01:14 PM	#5
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	Beautiful! The larger inscription in two lines are a Turkish couplet, which I've seen on other pieces of this date and type ياقلاشمه يانمه سيف سياستمله يانارسين زخمني كوردكده جراح مومله ارارسين "Do not approach my side, for you will be burnt by my sword of punishment, On seeing the wound, you will urgently seek a surgeon." In the cartouche next to this towards the hilt is the maker/owner's name. This is not very clear from the photo, but a better image would help. What I think it is, is: عمل صاحب ماناو علي آغا زاده صالح 'Work of the owner, Salih, son of Manav Ali Agha." In the cartouche on the spine is the date (سنة ٢٤١(١ "Year (1)241 (1825-6)" As is often the case with the Ottomans, the initial 1 for the millennium is missing

4th January 2020, 11:09 AM	#7
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	That's much clearer. The initial reading of the owner's/maker's name as "Manav Ali Agha-zade Salih (Salih, son of Manav Ali Agha)" is correct

17th January 2020, 06:09 PM	#8
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Dear Kwiatek, I would just like to say how much your very hard work is being received and how important it is to have such excellent translations delivered at almost the press of a button … Your translations are superb. Not only that but you fully appreciate the nuances in Arabic and how it plays out across neighboring regions. Thank you very much.

18th January 2020, 01:39 AM	#9
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Totally naive question: isn’t “ Zade” Persian?

18th January 2020, 04:41 PM	#10
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	Thank you Ibrahim, I am sure you will pick up on a lot of mistakes too, so please correct them when you notice them! In answer to Ariel's question, yes zade is Persian, but it's also found in Ottoman Turkish. Probably a good third of Ottoman Turkish vocabulary has a Persian origin.