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Old 29th September 2006, 09:31 AM   #1
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I'm having a little trouble with this translation. Showed it to my Palestinian friend and he says maybe Farsi. Showed it to an Iranian acquaintance and he says maybe Arabic. I understand there is a wide range of dialects within both languages so translation can be a tough egg to crack. Hope someone can help. I posted this here a while ago but no one had a translation. Thought I'd try again since we have so many new members now. Thanks, Stephen




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Old 30th September 2006, 03:33 AM   #2
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Hi,
It's Turkish. That's why your palestinian said it's farsi and iranian friend said it's arabic

The first inscription is simply the owner's name: Ahmed

The second one is: Elde bıçak gerek dilde sübhan-which can be roughly translated as "One should have sword(knife) in his hands and the Subhan (popular name for Sorat Al-Isra from Quran) in his tongue."


I could only read the third and fourth inscriptions partially, I will try to give it more thought.

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Old 30th September 2006, 02:48 PM   #3
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Thank you Zifir. I appreciate your help. I will try to take pitures of the other side of the sword. I think there may be more to translate, like a date or sword maker.
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Old 30th September 2006, 04:22 PM   #4
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Very pretty color of the handle!
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Old 30th September 2006, 07:39 PM   #5
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Very pretty color of the handle!
Thank you for your comment. The patina gives the ivory a pretty color. Here are a couple closer shots of the handle.

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Old 30th September 2006, 07:58 PM   #6
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Beautiful Yataghan!!!! Congratulations
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Old 1st October 2006, 01:21 AM   #7
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Here are the photos of the other areas of the Yatagan for translation as promised.



I am wondering if the handle is marine ivory or elephant. I was told that if it has the tapioca pudding look it is marine.

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Old 1st October 2006, 10:26 AM   #8
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Yeah, i think it's walrus. Very rich patination!!!
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Old 1st October 2006, 06:53 PM   #9
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It seems it will not be possible for me to read those words which I am missing in the inscription for the near future. So I will give you what I have so far.


İlahi dilerim senden ....... (O God! I wish .......from you)



Bu ..... sahibine olsun mübarek (May this ......be blessed and propitious for its owner) the word that I could not read most probably referring to yatagan but no idea what that word is.



Amel-i Hasan (Swordmaker Hasan)



I could recognize the number '88' here but no idea for the rest

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I agree with Flavio, the grip is made of two pieces of walrus ivory.

Interesting to see the silver inlayed instead of koftgari. Not rare, but not as common as koftgari.
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