Bulgarian Kindjal?

chregu · 8th April 2013, 08:57 PM

Another novelty in my collection is this Kindjal.

whence this kind? 've seen similar ones that were classified as Bulgarian. there is something really? Another curiosity is the blade steel. do not know exactly whether there is enough visible in the pictures! is welded steel composite, it could be steel refinery? (Steelmaking before industrialization)
Wootz, or a type? I've seen pictures of Wootz, was striped wave (book by Manfred Sachse, the Damascus steel)
am open to any idea.

Thanks for your help.
greeting Chregu

TVV · 8th April 2013, 11:07 PM

Hi,

This is not Bulgaian work in my opinion. My guess would be Russian.

Regards,
Teodor

chregu · 9th April 2013, 09:27 PM

Hello Teodor
Thank you for your answer.
You can Russian, Narrow closer?
what do you think of the steel, you have not seen this before?
greeting Chregu

TVV · 9th April 2013, 09:32 PM

Chregu,

To me the pattern looks like typical fold lines: a result of the forging process.

Regards,
Teodor

chregu · 9th April 2013, 09:52 PM

Hi Teodor

Thank you for this quick reply.
that was my guess!
then Müster this blade have been manufactured until 1880.
what do you think of the handle and scabbard is also from this period?

TVV · 10th April 2013, 11:57 PM

Yes, to me the whole kindjal looks like it was made this way, with the hilt and scabbard original to the blade. Ariel knows a lot more more about kindjals than me, and you may want to send him a PM with a link to this thread, as he can probably help you better than me with the identification.
Regards,
Teodor

Gavin Nugent · 11th April 2013, 06:46 AM

I too wold suggest Russian made.

The type was made by Zlatoust factory and I am sure others followed and copied the form too.
Zlatoust manufactured pieces did not pin from the side on these types but used a peened tang construction.

I hope others with more knowledge chime in.

Gavin

TVV · 11th April 2013, 08:34 PM

Chregu,

Here is a link to a similar dagger from the Sold Items section of Oriental Arms:

http://oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2070

Regards,
Teodor

chregu · 12th April 2013, 08:37 PM

hello people
Thank you for your great help.
greeting Chregu

8th April 2013, 08:57 PM	#1
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	Bulgarian Kindjal? Another novelty in my collection is this Kindjal. whence this kind? 've seen similar ones that were classified as Bulgarian. there is something really? Another curiosity is the blade steel. do not know exactly whether there is enough visible in the pictures! is welded steel composite, it could be steel refinery? (Steelmaking before industrialization) Wootz, or a type? I've seen pictures of Wootz, was striped wave (book by Manfred Sachse, the Damascus steel) am open to any idea. Thanks for your help. greeting Chregu Attached Images

8th April 2013, 11:07 PM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,623	Hi, This is not Bulgaian work in my opinion. My guess would be Russian. Regards, Teodor

9th April 2013, 09:27 PM	#3
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	Hello Teodor Thank you for your answer. You can Russian, Narrow closer? what do you think of the steel, you have not seen this before? greeting Chregu

9th April 2013, 09:32 PM	#4
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,623	Chregu, To me the pattern looks like typical fold lines: a result of the forging process. Regards, Teodor

9th April 2013, 09:52 PM	#5
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	Hi Teodor Thank you for this quick reply. that was my guess! then Müster this blade have been manufactured until 1880. what do you think of the handle and scabbard is also from this period?

10th April 2013, 11:57 PM	#6
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,623	Yes, to me the whole kindjal looks like it was made this way, with the hilt and scabbard original to the blade. Ariel knows a lot more more about kindjals than me, and you may want to send him a PM with a link to this thread, as he can probably help you better than me with the identification. Regards, Teodor

11th April 2013, 06:46 AM	#7
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	I too wold suggest Russian made. The type was made by Zlatoust factory and I am sure others followed and copied the form too. Zlatoust manufactured pieces did not pin from the side on these types but used a peened tang construction. I hope others with more knowledge chime in. Gavin

11th April 2013, 08:34 PM	#8
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,623	Chregu, Here is a link to a similar dagger from the Sold Items section of Oriental Arms: http://oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2070 Regards, Teodor

12th April 2013, 08:37 PM	#9
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	hello people Thank you for your great help. greeting Chregu