Javanese or Bugis kris?

mykeris · 4th April 2013, 06:54 AM

I found this blade in a Javanese sheath recently. Got it from a Javanese friend living in Java. No hit and mendak. Could it be Javanese Kris?
Thanks in advance for your kind help...mykeris

mykeris · 4th April 2013, 07:01 AM

additional pic.

Jean · 4th April 2013, 10:39 AM

Not Buginese for sure, rather Balinese touch but probably Javanese kamardikan with pamor keleng? (well-made, looks like the work from empu Sukamdi). Other opinions are welcome.
Regards

Gustav · 4th April 2013, 10:54 AM

A new made Malela blade. Actually the question is, where it was made, Malaysia or Madura. The answer could be the dress.

mykeris · 4th April 2013, 11:02 AM

thanks Jean, agreed with you, a very well tailored 'keleng' kris. almost similar to malayan malela krises but a little bit different.

Gustav · 4th April 2013, 11:36 AM

Of course you know all the answers about it. Why ask then?

mykeris · 4th April 2013, 12:56 PM

Gustav: Its ot Malay for sure. Bali or Javanese? would you know?tq in advance.

ferrylaki · 5th April 2013, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

Of course you know all the answers about it. Why ask then?

its new and it looks nice for sure.
its neither java or bali. its the original style of the maker ofcourse.mix style.

mykeris · 5th April 2013, 07:59 PM

thanks ferrylaki for your opinion.

A. G. Maisey · 6th April 2013, 04:10 AM

Madura or East Jawa.

Solo is an outside possibility, but unlikely.

Jean · 6th April 2013, 10:19 AM

Hum, interesting blade, we have got a full array of opinions concerning its area of origin!

At least do we agree that it was recenty made?
Regards

Gustav · 6th April 2013, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

Hum, interesting blade, we have got a full array of opinions concerning its area of origin!

At least do we agree that it was recenty made?
Regards

Actually my opinion was Madura, Ferrylaki's opinion was neither Java or Bali, Alans opinion was Madura or East Java. So the array isn't that big at all.

Jean · 7th April 2013, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

Actually my opinion was Madura, Ferrylaki's opinion was neither Java or Bali, Alans opinion was Madura or East Java. So the array isn't that big at all.

Sorry Gustav, but your opinion in post #4 was Malaysia or Madura, and Mykeris's opinion was Java or Bali.
Regards

Gustav · 7th April 2013, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

Sorry Gustav, but your opinion in post #4 was Malaysia or Madura, and Mykeris's opinion was Java or Bali.
Regards

Jean, the second and third sentence in my answer is "Actually the question is, where it was made, Malaysia or Madura.The answer could be the dress." The point is the third sentence.

I think, you hardly would see kerisses coming out of Malaysia in a javanese dress, especially with characteristics of a Malela blade.

Gustav · 10th April 2013, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mykeris

Gustav: Its ot Malay for sure. Bali or Javanese? would you know?tq in advance.

I suppose, it meens "Its not Malay for sure."

I would say, its more Malay then this one:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3005

(Sorry for borrowing your pics for comparison).

PenangsangII · 13th April 2013, 02:31 PM

both are well made Maduran or East Javan copies of what could be authentic Malay malela keris. Very widespread phenomenon to tap the Malaysian and Singaporean market

4th April 2013, 06:54 AM	#1
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Javanese or Bugis kris? I found this blade in a Javanese sheath recently. Got it from a Javanese friend living in Java. No hit and mendak. Could it be Javanese Kris? Thanks in advance for your kind help...mykeris Attached Images

4th April 2013, 07:01 AM	#2
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	additional pic. Attached Images

4th April 2013, 10:39 AM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Not Buginese for sure, rather Balinese touch but probably Javanese kamardikan with pamor keleng? (well-made, looks like the work from empu Sukamdi). Other opinions are welcome. Regards

4th April 2013, 10:54 AM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,249	A new made Malela blade. Actually the question is, where it was made, Malaysia or Madura. The answer could be the dress.

4th April 2013, 11:02 AM	#5
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	thanks Jean, agreed with you, a very well tailored 'keleng' kris. almost similar to malayan malela krises but a little bit different.

4th April 2013, 11:36 AM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,249	Of course you know all the answers about it. Why ask then?

4th April 2013, 12:56 PM	#7
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Gustav: Its ot Malay for sure. Bali or Javanese? would you know?tq in advance.

5th April 2013, 07:59 PM	#9
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	thanks ferrylaki for your opinion.

6th April 2013, 04:10 AM	#10
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,898	Madura or East Jawa. Solo is an outside possibility, but unlikely.

6th April 2013, 10:19 AM	#11
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hum, interesting blade, we have got a full array of opinions concerning its area of origin! At least do we agree that it was recenty made? Regards

13th April 2013, 02:31 PM	#16
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	both are well made Maduran or East Javan copies of what could be authentic Malay malela keris. Very widespread phenomenon to tap the Malaysian and Singaporean market