SHIELD .. your thoughts welcomed

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I have had this shield for many decades but have failed to get a positive ID on it , even to the part of the world ... there have been many suggestions ..China , India, Persia, Ethiopia, Sudan .... but nothing with any more evidence than gut feeling and guesswork .... so I appeal to you all out there to help me solve this puzzle and place this shield in its correct context within my collection !
Diameter is 53 cm and it is painted hide .

[colin henshaw]

Unusual, I can't really place it. The handle with the padding makes me think of an Indian dhal, but the form and decoration seem from further East ? So, maybe South-East Asia somewhere. Its a bit like a Japanese jingasa, but probably not that. The lotus flower ? decoration is probably a clue.

Hopefully someone else can identify it accurately.

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Originally Posted by colin henshaw

Unusual, I can't really place it. The handle with the padding makes me think of an Indian dhal, but the form and decoration seem from further East ? So, maybe South-East Asia somewhere. Its a bit like a Japanese jingasa, but probably not that. The lotus flower ? decoration is probably a clue.

Hopefully someone else can identify it accurately.

Yes somewhat of a mystery .... I last asked this question 5 years ago and with a similar mixed response http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14825 hopefully someone may recognise it this time !

[Gavin Nugent]

I've only seen one other and it was a very high end example, also red in colour.
Nothing comes to mind as far as origins but but the flavour to me is mid to north East African, however the internals, the grip, appears for the most to my eye as SEA.
I hope this tough nut is cracked as I was most intrigued with the previous example and most interest to know there is another of the type.

Gavin

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Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

I've only seen one other and it was a very high end example, also red in colour.
Nothing comes to mind as far as origins but but the flavour to me is mid to north East African, however the internals, the grip, appears for the most to my eye as SEA.
I hope this tough nut is cracked as I was most intrigued with the previous example and most interest to know there is another of the type.

Gavin

appreciate your comments Gavin .... with the breadth of experience here surely someone will have some clear evidence .

[colin henshaw]

The trusty Oldman catalogue shows a shield from Siam (Thailand), that from the description, sounds a little bit like yours ?? However, from the image, not much can be made out...

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Originally Posted by colin henshaw

The trusty Oldman catalogue shows a shield from Siam (Thailand), that from the description, sounds a little bit like yours ?? However, from the image, not much can be made out...

Yes it has similarities though it does appear to have 4 small bosses ... and mine is just hide rather than leather covered wood ... but food for thought , thanks Colin

[Maurice]

Hi,

a good friend has a similar shield in his collection!

Kind regards,
Maurice

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Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi,

a good friend has a similar shield in his collection!

Kind regards,
Maurice

Wow ... that is virtually identical ... what does your friend consider it to be ?

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

I would also approach from the design angle which seems to be off the silkroad with the main repeat patterns being crosses . The cross sign is simply a reflection of candles thus they are representing a general idea of welcoming..usually on Yurt textile doors. The other geometry seems to be a portcullis or fortress window geometry (from which arrows could be fired) which can also be construed as a cross ...but seen below more clearly on carpet designs ....below. Thus I would consider The Silkroad and perhaps Kazakh as the source.