Keris Tok Chu

[maxbliss888]

My Friend's Keris for sharing. The overall Keris looks and feel very solid..

[Sajen]

Hello Max,

nice blade and very nice handle but I think the scabbard is wrong for this blade.

Regards,
Detlef

[maxbliss888]

Thanks for the feedback.

I have goggled and see that most scabbard has the square look. I have asked the collector and his opinion is that the scabbard tends to the the choice of the owner (like choosing a dress) preference... The current scabbard looks like one for the Tajong. Not sure if it's due to the preference from Patanni?

I am not sure ...

[maxbliss888]

One more point to add is that I have seen one collector having a Toa Chu blade but fitted with the Tajomg hilt and scabbard...

Is that acceptable?

[maxbliss888]

This is an old Tajong Keris with an old toachu blade

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Hilt

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Another view

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Thanks

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Better photo I hope

[Gustav]

Tok Chu is a quite nebulous concept, yet even then this blade don't look like the one supposedly attributed to Tok Chu, which is short, broad and heavy, and of very good material.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7618

I will not comment on hilt and scabbard.

[maxbliss888]

Originally Posted by Gustav

Tok Chu is a quite nebulous concept, yet even then this blade don't look like the one supposedly attributed to Tok Chu, which is short, broad and heavy, and of very good material.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7618

I will not comment on hilt and scabbard.

Thanks.

The blade is an old one which has weathered much. According to the Thail collectors, they have classified it as a Tok Chu.

For me, the hilt and the scabbard are Tajong and the blade I see it differs to the usual blade that has fitted in the Tajong. Any way, just sharing what I learnt from the Thai collectors in Bangkok ... I am not a dealer or seller...

[Gustav]

Originally Posted by maxbliss888

Thanks.

For me, the hilt and the scabbard are Tajong and the blade I see it differs to the usual blade that has fitted in the Tajong. Any way, just sharing what I learnt from the Thai collectors in Bangkok ... I am not a dealer or seller...

To add: also the Pendokok differs to ones usually fitted with Tajong

Yes, nowadays it is possible to comission a Tajong sheath for every blade and put a Tajong hilt on it. The second blade actually looks slim enough for a proper Tajong, yet for a broader blade like the first one the Tajong sheath is out of proportions.

I nowhere mentioned, I would see You as a dealer or seller.

[maxbliss888]

Originally Posted by Gustav

To add: also the Pendokok differs to ones usually fitted with Tajong

Yes, nowadays it is possible to comission a Tajong sheath for every blade and put a Tajong hilt on it. The second blade actually looks slim enough for a proper Tajong, yet for a broader blade like the first one the Tajong sheath is out of proportions.

I nowhere mentioned, I would see You as a dealer or seller.

Yes, you are right as there are many newly made Tajong hilt and sheath made from Indonesia and Thailand and the Thai collectors are able to identify them basing on the design and size as well as the material made.

However, there are also collector who like to put different sarong (dress) for their blade. The first blade that I have posted according to the collector is about 50 years while the second one is more then 100 years.

I see the second more as Tajong Keris with old hilt but fellow collectors insisiting that he blade is Tok chu and since I have only seen two examples, I cannot confirm. I have questioned that the Tok chu should be fatter and their explaination is that the blade has been sharpened in the past. They pointed to the ำ design at the top of the blade as identification.

: )

[Jean]

Originally Posted by Gustav

I will not comment on hilt and scabbard.

Well, I am not at all a specialist of these krisses but the scabbard looks new or recent to me and the hilt seems to have some age but is not finely carved?
Regards

[maxbliss888]

Originally Posted by Jean

Well, I am not at all a specialist of these krisses but the scabbard looks new or recent to me and the hilt seems to have some age but is not finely carved?
Regards

The scabbard has been restored and re-lacquered and the Hilt has aged and is more then hundred years old

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Photos of another Hilt

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Front view

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Hi Jean: The Thai is great at restoration of the Keris scabbard ..example below..

[Jean]

Hi Max,
Excellent refurbishing indeed, by the way the hilt of this kris is from Madura.
I own one ivory hilt probably made in Indonesia and (vaguely) copying the tajong design but with a less curved shape, see pics.
Regards

[maxbliss888]

Originally Posted by Jean

Hi Max,
Excellent refurbishing indeed, by the way the hilt of this kris is from Madura.
I own one ivory hilt probably made in Indonesia and (vaguely) copying the tajong design but with a less curved shape, see pics.
Regards

Very nice!

I always admire their skill in curving these nice hilts!