A spearhead for ID

milandro · 18th January 2023, 02:11 PM

I got this from a friend, he didn't know where it may come from, could be Indonesian as it was found in the NL where lots of Indonesian tombaks are ,

yet when I was searching this forum I found a few interesting hints from other threads, namely from @David R

As you may see, this Spear Head appears to have some faint " pamor" but is it?

length tip to tang 23cm tang 6cm diamond section

the tang has a square section ( beveled towards the end) which may suggest this is a Budiak?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...donesian+spear

where he shows some spearhead with some similarities ( general shape and tang ) and asks whether this may from the Philippines

here he has a tombak which shows some common elements to mine.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...donesian+spear

David R · 19th January 2023, 03:33 PM

I do rather like that piece you have posted here.
After trawling the internet for quite some time, I came to the conclusion that the "Screwdriver" shaped tang indicates a Philippine origin, but who knows where more precisely.
The shape of the sharp end is a product of function rather than ethnicity or origin and definitely a piercing form either for armour or deep penetration of a soft target.
Looking at various maps, it's a damn big area, lots of islands and many related though different cultures. It's going to be a matter of chance methinks if we ever find out more.

milandro · 19th January 2023, 03:59 PM

thanks @David R.

Out of curiosity I was researching this and indeed it seems that this particular tang is associated more often than not with the Philippines.

Your post which I mentioned above was the first to point me in that direction.

The Tombaks from an equally large area of " Indonesia" seem t have longer tang, with a " twist | ( or not), but this flat tip " screwdriver" , fairly short, tang is a fairly sure indication of being a Philippines origin.

Another indication may be indeed the metal, the fact that it appears to have some laminations but not " pamor" and that is very smooth also appears fairly often in these spears.

If I look at my only example of Moro Kris ( Maguindanao) the metal shows definitely similarities to this spear head.

Would we even know exactly where my example came from? I doubt it too. Thank you anyway for your experience

milandro · 14th July 2023, 03:11 PM

I found someone in the NL with an incredibly similar spear. Can't publish the pic because it is for sale but I am asking the seller about the pest.

18th January 2023, 02:11 PM	#1
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 475	A spear head for ID ( Asian? Indonesia? Philippine?) I got this from a friend, he didn't know where it may come from, could be Indonesian as it was found in the NL where lots of Indonesian tombaks are , yet when I was searching this forum I found a few interesting hints from other threads, namely from @David R As you may see, this Spear Head appears to have some faint " pamor" but is it? length tip to tang 23cm tang 6cm diamond section the tang has a square section ( beveled towards the end) which may suggest this is a Budiak? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...donesian+spear where he shows some spearhead with some similarities ( general shape and tang ) and asks whether this may from the Philippines here he has a tombak which shows some common elements to mine. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...donesian+spear Attached Images Last edited by milandro; 19th January 2023 at 09:16 AM.

19th January 2023, 03:59 PM	#3
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 475	thanks @David R. Out of curiosity I was researching this and indeed it seems that this particular tang is associated more often than not with the Philippines. Your post which I mentioned above was the first to point me in that direction. The Tombaks from an equally large area of " Indonesia" seem t have longer tang, with a " twist \| ( or not), but this flat tip " screwdriver" , fairly short, tang is a fairly sure indication of being a Philippines origin. Another indication may be indeed the metal, the fact that it appears to have some laminations but not " pamor" and that is very smooth also appears fairly often in these spears. If I look at my only example of Moro Kris ( Maguindanao) the metal shows definitely similarities to this spear head. Would we even know exactly where my example came from? I doubt it too. Thank you anyway for your experience Last edited by milandro; 19th January 2023 at 05:49 PM.

19th January 2023, 03:33 PM	#2
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	I do rather like that piece you have posted here. After trawling the internet for quite some time, I came to the conclusion that the "Screwdriver" shaped tang indicates a Philippine origin, but who knows where more precisely. The shape of the sharp end is a product of function rather than ethnicity or origin and definitely a piercing form either for armour or deep penetration of a soft target. Looking at various maps, it's a damn big area, lots of islands and many related though different cultures. It's going to be a matter of chance methinks if we ever find out more.

14th July 2023, 03:11 PM	#4
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 475	I found someone in the NL with an incredibly similar spear. Can't publish the pic because it is for sale but I am asking the seller about the pest.