Unknown Short Sword

drac2k · 5th September 2023, 06:25 PM

I haven't see anything like this with a strange guard;also marked W8&Co ?
Can anyone identify this sword?

kai · 5th September 2023, 09:49 PM

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also marked W8&Co ?

W & Co

Jerseyman · 5th September 2023, 10:21 PM

Weyersburg & Co?

drac2k · 5th September 2023, 10:27 PM

Maybe W8 c Co, ?

Bob A · 6th September 2023, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by drac2k

Maybe W8 c Co, ?

Pretty sure that's supposed to be an ampersand. (&)

corrado26 · 6th September 2023, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerseyman

Weyersburg & Co?

The firm is called "Weyersberg & Co"

M ELEY · 6th September 2023, 09:15 AM

Reminds me of mid-19th c. 'pioneer' swords. There were many different 'styles'. Yours looks like a cross between a pioneer saber and an ecole de mars type...

M ELEY · 6th September 2023, 11:16 AM

Here's a pioneer/sapper's short sword with similar pattern blade-

drac2k · 6th September 2023, 03:38 PM

M.ELEY, do you have another sword that you meant to post. I get the reference to the "Ecole de Mars," in regards to the guard and also it does look like a light Pioneer Sword, possibly Austrian. I haven't ruled out that it is a Society sword for a group such as the ODD FELLOWS, etc., except that it is too plain and they usually rounded or cut off the ends; I guess something about drinking and sharp tips don't mix.

M ELEY · 7th September 2023, 06:49 AM

Hello drac2k. Yes, unfortunately the Austrian sapper's sword I was unable to post. The blade on it was nearly exact, being the gladius pattern, but the hilt was still not a match. Hope we can all solve the mystery!

drac2k · 7th September 2023, 02:21 PM

Thanks M.ELEY, I think we are on the right path; or maybe I'll just do what all of the Old Timers do at Miltaria shows when they don't know what something is............call it" Confederate," LOL.

M ELEY · 8th September 2023, 03:28 PM

Brilliant!

not2sharp · 9th September 2023, 01:12 AM

I like it….

I suspect the key to this might be the handle pins. I feel like I have seen similar screw fittings on some bayonets.

N2s

not2sharp · 10th September 2023, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by not2sharp

I like it….

I suspect the key to this might be the handle pins. I feel like I have seen similar screw fittings on some bayonets.

N2s

The closest match that I could find was on a Dutch 1873 Beaumont bayonet. I wonder if that is the same nut used on your sword (installed upside down).

M ELEY · 11th September 2023, 05:27 AM

Hmm, perhaps a varient of this model? (I know. Too short and only slightly similar, but blade shape, securing pins similar. I get a feeling your sword is more of a 'munitions grade', not being insulting, but a field sword, like the pioneer models)

https://www.wardaggers.com/BC311.htm

5th September 2023, 06:25 PM	#1
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,230	Unknown Short Sword I haven't see anything like this with a strange guard;also marked W8&Co ? Can anyone identify this sword? Attached Images

6th September 2023, 09:15 AM	#7
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,097	Reminds me of mid-19th c. 'pioneer' swords. There were many different 'styles'. Yours looks like a cross between a pioneer saber and an ecole de mars type... Attached Images

5th September 2023, 10:21 PM	#3
Jerseyman Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 97	Weyersburg & Co?

5th September 2023, 10:27 PM	#4
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,230	Maybe W8 c Co, ?

6th September 2023, 11:16 AM	#8
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,097	Here's a pioneer/sapper's short sword with similar pattern blade-

6th September 2023, 03:38 PM	#9
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,230	M.ELEY, do you have another sword that you meant to post. I get the reference to the "Ecole de Mars," in regards to the guard and also it does look like a light Pioneer Sword, possibly Austrian. I haven't ruled out that it is a Society sword for a group such as the ODD FELLOWS, etc., except that it is too plain and they usually rounded or cut off the ends; I guess something about drinking and sharp tips don't mix.

7th September 2023, 06:49 AM	#10
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,097	Hello drac2k. Yes, unfortunately the Austrian sapper's sword I was unable to post. The blade on it was nearly exact, being the gladius pattern, but the hilt was still not a match. Hope we can all solve the mystery!

7th September 2023, 02:21 PM	#11
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,230	Thanks M.ELEY, I think we are on the right path; or maybe I'll just do what all of the Old Timers do at Miltaria shows when they don't know what something is............call it" Confederate," LOL.

8th September 2023, 03:28 PM	#12
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,097	Brilliant!

9th September 2023, 01:12 AM	#13
not2sharp Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 210	I like it…. I suspect the key to this might be the handle pins. I feel like I have seen similar screw fittings on some bayonets. N2s

11th September 2023, 05:27 AM	#15
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,097	Hmm, perhaps a varient of this model? (I know. Too short and only slightly similar, but blade shape, securing pins similar. I get a feeling your sword is more of a 'munitions grade', not being insulting, but a field sword, like the pioneer models) https://www.wardaggers.com/BC311.htm