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Hello everyone, I would be grateful to receive your comments on these two daggers.
The first one I believe to be a Karud. It is very well made having a green stone and steel handle with a fullered blade. The scabbard is wood originally covered with leather but now covered in a plastic material by a previous owner, the fittings are steel. I am not sure whether it is Indian or Afghanistan. O/l is 19 ins with a 14 ins blade x 2 ins wide at the hilt. The second one I am not sure whether it is a Karud or a straight backed Pesh Kabz and whether it is indian or central Asian. The dagger has a horn hilt and the scabbard ie wood covered in leather. O/L is17 ins with a 12.5 ins blade x 1.75 ins wide at the hilt. Thank you Miguel |
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Hello Miguel,
In my oppinion they are both North Indian. The first one second half of 20th century (meaning recent), the second one possibly a couple of decades older. What is the difference between a Karud and a straight Pesh-kabz? ![]() |
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None whatsoever:-)
Karud is a misnomer: Persian pronounciation of the word "Kard" inserts a poorly-defined vowel sound between two consonants. This is why European collectors rendered it as either Karud of Kared. Elgood and Flindt suspected it, but could not find any proof for their hypothesis. I found the original source of that confusion. Perhaps, I should write it up and clear the misunderstanding, but I am in Israel right now and playing with grandkids is my priority #1 ( and 2,3,4.. etc:-) |
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I do not know what the difference is between a straight backed pesh kabz and a karud but I think Ariel has answered the question in his reply. Regards Miguel |
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There is no such thing as a "straight pesh-kabz" (in my opinion). a dagger is either a pesh-kabz shape or not, if resembles a pesh-kabz but with a straight blade it is currently called a "karud". It does not really matter how these straight bladed daggers came to be called "karud" by many collectors, dealers etc except for historical purposes. You can call them whatever you want, but do not confuse people by referring to them as being "pesh-kabz". Last edited by estcrh; 24th June 2017 at 04:16 AM. |
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Ferguson. when you compare both of these karud daggers there is a distinct difference. I think the top one is Afghan while yours appears to be a Bukharan karud dagger.
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Now some people have tried to imply that certain names for swords and daggers etc are not correct according to the native language from were they originated. This may be true but the names now applied in OUR times are an attempt to categorize very recognizable types, no one I know has implied that all of the names are culturally correct. If someone wants to call a karud a "cow" instead so be it, but the fact remains that it will still not be a pesh or kard. Below is an example from Artzi. |
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Dont worry Ferguson - please go on smiling:-)
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These sharp pointy things are totally outside my area of study, but I really do love discussions such as the one beginning to take place here.
Thank you gentlemen. Here is a very entertaining discussion that proceeds along a similar path:- http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=kard Delightful! |
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Pesh-kabz on the left, karud dagger on the right, does anyone really think these are all the same despite the total difference in blades?
Left from top down, Pesh-kabz: Persian, Afghan, Afghan. Right from top down, Karud: Afghan, Afghan, Afghan (choora type). |
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While we are at it, does anyone really think that a kahnjar and a jambiya are the same despite the complete difference in blades?
Khanjar daggers (lt) compared to jambiya daggers (rt), there is a big difference. Top down, left side khanjar: Indian, Indian, Indian (khanjarli type). Top down right side jambiya: Ottoman (Albania), Indian, Indian (tiger tooth type). |
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