Help!! Keris restoration

Flavio · 29th May 2007, 01:37 PM

Hi all, here is another of my keris purchases

The situation it's quite tragic: the mendak-selut is lost, the warangka was broken and bad glued together, the "point" of the scabbard is also lost. But take a look at the blade: is beautiful

and so I think that is worth of a good restoration - work. Any help is welcome (where I can find a nice mendak - selut?) Thank you

BluErf · 29th May 2007, 04:37 PM

Brother of mine.

http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php

The keris is "Pattani" in origin, but the way the blade arcs in both examples suggest that they come from the same area. Even amongst the "Pattani" blades, there are stylistic differences.

You can easily find a brass pendoko like this:

http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

Flavio · 29th May 2007, 05:10 PM

Thank you BluErf

Flavio · 31st May 2007, 05:50 PM

Hi all, well the restoration proceeed: I have unglued the pieces leaving two days in alcohol the warangka and so I have a puzzle to put together

Well the next step is to glue in right position all the pieces, to fill all the small cracks, to polish the surface and to use the shellac (I hope that the term in english is right - in italian is GOMMALACCA) that with the alcohol is gone. I think that at the end the result will be fine

.
Ah, nobody could indicate me where I can find a pendoko?
In the meantime the blade is in its bath of pineapple juice to remove all the rust...
Another question: nobody can post a picture to show me as the end of the scabbard should look like? Thank you

I hope that at he end of all this work the keris will be happy and it will bring me fortune !!

Alam Shah · 1st June 2007, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flavio

... Ah, nobody could indicate me where I can find a pendoko?
In the meantime the blade is in its bath of pineapple juice to remove all the rust...

Check your PM.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flavio

... Another question: nobody can post a picture to show me as the end of the scabbard should look like? Thank you

This is how it should look like. The end-piece (buntut). [ picture ]
(KampungNet Keris Gallery is down, or else there are many examples there.

)

Flavio · 1st June 2007, 03:25 PM

Thank you Alam

Flavio · 2nd June 2007, 01:00 PM

Hi all, another step on the long way of restoration

the puzzle is recomposed. Now, first I have to smooth the microscopic scabrousness in some areas...

Alam Shah · 2nd June 2007, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flavio

Hi all, another step on the long way of restoration

the puzzle is recomposed. Now, first I have to smooth the microscopic scabrousness in some areas...

A good start... to the puzzle. I've always loved restoration works. I find it interesting... intimately knowing the pieces.

Flavio · 2nd June 2007, 05:45 PM

Alam, I'm agree with you, but I hope that the final result is at least worth of all the work...

Anyway I've polished the surface: some of the cracks already to this point are visible just a little

Flavio · 17th June 2007, 02:56 PM

Here we go! The restoration on this part of the scabbard is finished! Shirlak (thank you Marco

) and wax. Also the blade is well cleaned now.

Ferguson · 18th June 2007, 11:05 AM

Very nice work Flavio!

Steve

BluErf · 18th June 2007, 02:35 PM

Oh, the wood used for the sampir is actually quite good. Pity that it shattered into so many pieces. I wonder if it was because of the limitation in the wood that the carver had to orientate it in such a way that the grains run through the sampir rather than along the sampir.

cahaya · 18th June 2007, 02:39 PM

Hi Flavio!
Good work.....

Battara · 18th June 2007, 05:52 PM

IMPRESSIVE!

Flavio · 18th June 2007, 06:03 PM

Thank you all

I will take some pics also of the blade

Flavio · 28th July 2007, 12:02 PM

Hi All!! Just to let you know that the restoration proceeds!!! Here are some pics of the keris with its new beautiful pendoko (thanks to all the members that help me and to Mr. Adni

). Soon pictures of the scabbard, thank you

Alam Shah · 28th July 2007, 01:26 PM

Hi Flavio,

Very nice impressive results.

The silver pendongkok (hilt cup) fits nicely, 'hugging' the base of the hilt.
But I guess, there is a slight gap at the base, which should be acceptable.
The blade looks nicely cleaned up...

The silver hilt cup with openworks design and 'fish eggs' decoration, brightens it, making the entire ensemble looks pretty. Love the background cloth as well...

Looking forward for the pictures with the sheath. Btw, what did you use for the sheath's end-piece?

Flavio · 28th July 2007, 03:55 PM

Thank you Alam

I haven't yet carved the end piece of sheath, but I was thinking to some kind of hard wood

Flavio · 29th July 2007, 05:12 PM

Some shots of the blade

David · 29th July 2007, 05:23 PM

Bravo Flavio! You must be very pleased with yourself. Nicely done!

Flavio · 29th July 2007, 09:36 PM

Thank you for the kind words, David

Flavio · 1st August 2007, 09:58 PM

Hi all, what do you think? It's too much big? I have to reduce the dimensions? Thank you

Alam Shah · 2nd August 2007, 12:27 AM

Hi Flavio,

It should be smaller, currently looks like a bugis styled end-piece.

From MAG archives:
http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...alsarasbig.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...gisluk7big.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...rasluk9big.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...layluk7big.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...9caritabig.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...ritalurbig.jpg

From these references, you should get an idea of an ideal size.

Newsteel · 2nd August 2007, 01:31 AM

That pleasant 'little but detailed' grenengs are very neat. Good restoration work!!

Flavio · 2nd August 2007, 07:39 AM

Thank you sooo much, Alam

!!!! I will reduce the dimensions. Thank again - GRAZIE INFINITE

asomotif · 2nd August 2007, 11:31 AM

Flavio,
Very nice, looking forward to the pictures of the complete project.
Can you advise me where you got the pendoko ?

Best regards,
Willem

Flavio · 2nd August 2007, 04:11 PM

Thank you Willem

Here are some other pictures of the end piece: this is the best I can do

Henk · 2nd August 2007, 07:55 PM

Flavio,

I think you did very well. Good job!!
A description how you made the buntun would be nice and a source of inspiration. It is not the only buntun missing on such a scabbard

.

Flavio · 2nd August 2007, 09:19 PM

Hello Henk,

Thank you very much

Ok, I try to explain:
first of all I have found a tablet of teak wood (like the ones for the parquet). I have drawn the profile on the wood and I have removed some wood in the inner portion with a screwdriver that I have re-sharpened on a file....

Flavio · 2nd August 2007, 09:31 PM

....Than I have modeled the wood with sand paper. The last pictures show the buntun colored with mordant dark brown. Now the next step is to glue the buntun with natural resin and than to give two or three hands of shirluk.

29th May 2007, 01:37 PM	#1
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Help!! Keris restoration Hi all, here is another of my keris purchases The situation it's quite tragic: the mendak-selut is lost, the warangka was broken and bad glued together, the "point" of the scabbard is also lost. But take a look at the blade: is beautiful and so I think that is worth of a good restoration - work. Any help is welcome (where I can find a nice mendak - selut?) Thank you Attached Images

29th May 2007, 04:37 PM	#2
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Brother of mine. http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php The keris is "Pattani" in origin, but the way the blade arcs in both examples suggest that they come from the same area. Even amongst the "Pattani" blades, there are stylistic differences. You can easily find a brass pendoko like this: http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php Attached Images

31st May 2007, 05:50 PM	#4
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hi all, well the restoration proceeed: I have unglued the pieces leaving two days in alcohol the warangka and so I have a puzzle to put together Well the next step is to glue in right position all the pieces, to fill all the small cracks, to polish the surface and to use the shellac (I hope that the term in english is right - in italian is GOMMALACCA) that with the alcohol is gone. I think that at the end the result will be fine . Ah, nobody could indicate me where I can find a pendoko? In the meantime the blade is in its bath of pineapple juice to remove all the rust... Another question: nobody can post a picture to show me as the end of the scabbard should look like? Thank you I hope that at he end of all this work the keris will be happy and it will bring me fortune !! Attached Images

2nd June 2007, 01:00 PM	#7
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hi all, another step on the long way of restoration the puzzle is recomposed. Now, first I have to smooth the microscopic scabrousness in some areas... Attached Images

2nd June 2007, 05:45 PM	#9
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Alam, I'm agree with you, but I hope that the final result is at least worth of all the work... Anyway I've polished the surface: some of the cracks already to this point are visible just a little Attached Images

29th May 2007, 05:10 PM	#3
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you BluErf

1st June 2007, 03:25 PM	#6
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you Alam

17th June 2007, 02:56 PM	#10
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Here we go! The restoration on this part of the scabbard is finished! Shirlak (thank you Marco ) and wax. Also the blade is well cleaned now. Attached Images

18th June 2007, 11:05 AM	#11
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Very nice work Flavio! Steve

18th June 2007, 02:35 PM	#12
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Oh, the wood used for the sampir is actually quite good. Pity that it shattered into so many pieces. I wonder if it was because of the limitation in the wood that the carver had to orientate it in such a way that the grains run through the sampir rather than along the sampir.

18th June 2007, 02:39 PM	#13
cahaya Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 49	BRAVO....... Hi Flavio! Good work.....

18th June 2007, 05:52 PM	#14
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	IMPRESSIVE!

18th June 2007, 06:03 PM	#15
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you all I will take some pics also of the blade

28th July 2007, 12:02 PM	#16
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hi All!! Just to let you know that the restoration proceeds!!! Here are some pics of the keris with its new beautiful pendoko (thanks to all the members that help me and to Mr. Adni ). Soon pictures of the scabbard, thank you Attached Images

28th July 2007, 01:26 PM	#17
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Hi Flavio, Very nice impressive results. The silver pendongkok (hilt cup) fits nicely, 'hugging' the base of the hilt. But I guess, there is a slight gap at the base, which should be acceptable. The blade looks nicely cleaned up... The silver hilt cup with openworks design and 'fish eggs' decoration, brightens it, making the entire ensemble looks pretty. Love the background cloth as well... Looking forward for the pictures with the sheath. Btw, what did you use for the sheath's end-piece?

28th July 2007, 03:55 PM	#18
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you Alam I haven't yet carved the end piece of sheath, but I was thinking to some kind of hard wood

29th July 2007, 05:12 PM	#19
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Some shots of the blade Attached Images

29th July 2007, 05:23 PM	#20
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,119	Bravo Flavio! You must be very pleased with yourself. Nicely done!

29th July 2007, 09:36 PM	#21
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you for the kind words, David

1st August 2007, 09:58 PM	#22
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hi all, what do you think? It's too much big? I have to reduce the dimensions? Thank you Attached Images

2nd August 2007, 12:27 AM	#23
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Hi Flavio, It should be smaller, currently looks like a bugis styled end-piece. From MAG archives: http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...alsarasbig.jpg http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...gisluk7big.jpg http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...rasluk9big.jpg http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...layluk7big.jpg http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...9caritabig.jpg http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...ritalurbig.jpg From these references, you should get an idea of an ideal size.

2nd August 2007, 01:31 AM	#24
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	That pleasant 'little but detailed' grenengs are very neat. Good restoration work!!

2nd August 2007, 07:39 AM	#25
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you sooo much, Alam !!!! I will reduce the dimensions. Thank again - GRAZIE INFINITE

2nd August 2007, 11:31 AM	#26
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,224	Flavio, Very nice, looking forward to the pictures of the complete project. Can you advise me where you got the pendoko ? Best regards, Willem

2nd August 2007, 04:11 PM	#27
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you Willem Here are some other pictures of the end piece: this is the best I can do Attached Images

2nd August 2007, 07:55 PM	#28
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Flavio, I think you did very well. Good job!! A description how you made the buntun would be nice and a source of inspiration. It is not the only buntun missing on such a scabbard .

2nd August 2007, 09:19 PM	#29
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hello Henk, Thank you very much Ok, I try to explain: first of all I have found a tablet of teak wood (like the ones for the parquet). I have drawn the profile on the wood and I have removed some wood in the inner portion with a screwdriver that I have re-sharpened on a file.... Attached Images Last edited by Flavio; 2nd August 2007 at 09:34 PM.

2nd August 2007, 09:31 PM	#30
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	....Than I have modeled the wood with sand paper. The last pictures show the buntun colored with mordant dark brown. Now the next step is to glue the buntun with natural resin and than to give two or three hands of shirluk. Attached Images