Another (time) traveler for pleasure

ariel · 27th February 2006, 01:44 AM

Talk about confusion: this one was advertised as Ottoman 17th century.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

In reality: Persian or, probably, Afghani version of a Kukri (pretty touristy, IMHO....) and clearly dated 1322, ie 1904!
Sold for a nice bundle, though.....

mavi1970 · 27th February 2006, 02:13 AM

yes, I saw that one also, someone must have really wanted it I guess.

Alan62 · 27th February 2006, 03:04 AM

Ariel
How did you determine the date ?

Spunjer · 27th February 2006, 03:25 AM

last pic at the bottom...

Alan62 · 27th February 2006, 03:39 AM

I see the 1324 I just want to know ,Is there an equation that makes it possible to convert a date?

TVV · 27th February 2006, 03:42 AM

There are many on-line converters, and here is a link to one:
http://www.islamicfinder.org/dateConversion.php

ariel · 27th February 2006, 03:56 AM

And another one...
http://www.rabiah.com/convert/convert.php3

Alan62 · 27th February 2006, 04:41 AM

Thanks Ariel
I did not even know that there was a difference.
Thanks Again

archer · 8th March 2006, 08:38 AM

Hi, Heres another chopper from the past its Ebay item 7394746370. I've tried researching this one a bit but can't find source from the past for it's origins. So, are the made up entirely of whole cloth ? I was sure I'd seen a few before but no luck.
Thanks,
Steve

archer · 11th March 2006, 06:34 PM

Its starting to appear some highly decorated pieces of uncertain origins and quality may well have been a response to very early tourist requests as attached thread explains. It even spread to bannermans catalogues. I guess the question is have these items taken on a new market of their own? Well thread isn't attaching so lets try this.

http://ikrhs.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=84

Ian · 11th March 2006, 07:45 PM

It is perhaps informative that the original subject of this thread plus the example shown by Archer seem to have been photographed by the same source, a particular eBay seller well known to many of us for his inaccurate descriptions of items he sells. 'Nough said.

It is possible each of these has a similar origin and it appears that somewhere in the vicinity of Afghanistan/Pakistan would fit where they were made around 1900. The hilts are obviously local interpretations, and not reflective of Nepalese style, and the cho (blade cut outs near the hilt) are crude and not authentic to the original culture.

Archer's example seems to have some relationship to a sossun pattah with its upturned tip, and I recall JP showing another example with an upturned tip on the old forum -- from memory that one was closer to the Nepalese kukri style.

While the examples illustrated here seem to have some appeal, it is hard to see why the one that just sold on eBay went for $600+ other than someone had to have it.

Ian.

Here is the link to the discussion on the old forum of JP's mystery knife that I mentioned above (missing pictures unfortunately): http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000553.html

And for further discussion of Afghan kukris, here is a thread that JP started on the old forum (also missing pictures): http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001963.html

Dom · 12th March 2006, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan62

I see the 1324 I just want to know ,Is there an equation that makes it possible to convert a date?

light error not 1324 but 1322, not very essential

to help who isn't very familiar with the designs used by Arabs to write digits, Indian signs in fact

here below, a link to a site

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Arabic_numerals

27th February 2006, 01:44 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Another (time) traveler for pleasure Talk about confusion: this one was advertised as Ottoman 17th century. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 In reality: Persian or, probably, Afghani version of a Kukri (pretty touristy, IMHO....) and clearly dated 1322, ie 1904! Sold for a nice bundle, though.....

8th March 2006, 08:38 AM	#9
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Another Ottoman of the 17th century Hi, Heres another chopper from the past its Ebay item 7394746370. I've tried researching this one a bit but can't find source from the past for it's origins. So, are the made up entirely of whole cloth ? I was sure I'd seen a few before but no luck. Thanks, Steve Attached Images

11th March 2006, 06:34 PM	#10
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Early Tourist demand for wall hangers Its starting to appear some highly decorated pieces of uncertain origins and quality may well have been a response to very early tourist requests as attached thread explains. It even spread to bannermans catalogues. I guess the question is have these items taken on a new market of their own? Well thread isn't attaching so lets try this. http://ikrhs.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=84

11th March 2006, 07:45 PM	#11
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,200	Afghan kukris It is perhaps informative that the original subject of this thread plus the example shown by Archer seem to have been photographed by the same source, a particular eBay seller well known to many of us for his inaccurate descriptions of items he sells. 'Nough said. It is possible each of these has a similar origin and it appears that somewhere in the vicinity of Afghanistan/Pakistan would fit where they were made around 1900. The hilts are obviously local interpretations, and not reflective of Nepalese style, and the cho (blade cut outs near the hilt) are crude and not authentic to the original culture. Archer's example seems to have some relationship to a sossun pattah with its upturned tip, and I recall JP showing another example with an upturned tip on the old forum -- from memory that one was closer to the Nepalese kukri style. While the examples illustrated here seem to have some appeal, it is hard to see why the one that just sold on eBay went for $600+ other than someone had to have it. Ian. Here is the link to the discussion on the old forum of JP's mystery knife that I mentioned above (missing pictures unfortunately): http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000553.html And for further discussion of Afghan kukris, here is a thread that JP started on the old forum (also missing pictures): http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001963.html Last edited by Ian; 11th March 2006 at 07:50 PM. Reason: Added links

27th February 2006, 02:13 AM	#2
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	yes, I saw that one also, someone must have really wanted it I guess.

27th February 2006, 03:04 AM	#3
Alan62 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 164	Ariel How did you determine the date ?

27th February 2006, 03:25 AM	#4
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	last pic at the bottom...

27th February 2006, 03:39 AM	#5
Alan62 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 164	I see the 1324 I just want to know ,Is there an equation that makes it possible to convert a date?

27th February 2006, 03:42 AM	#6
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,622	There are many on-line converters, and here is a link to one: http://www.islamicfinder.org/dateConversion.php

27th February 2006, 03:56 AM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	And another one... http://www.rabiah.com/convert/convert.php3

27th February 2006, 04:41 AM	#8
Alan62 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 164	Thanks Ariel I did not even know that there was a difference. Thanks Again