Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 7th March 2017, 10:03 AM   #1
carlos
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 737
Default 3 Philippines wall plaque, from Palencia Town Hall and antiques shops

This Wall plaque is inside town hall in Palencia ( Spain ) . I thing is interesting to Forum..Picture is from newspaper.
thanks

http://www.elnortedecastilla.es/pale...102214327.html
Attached Images
  

Last edited by carlos; 7th March 2017 at 11:26 AM.
carlos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th March 2017, 10:54 AM   #2
F. de Luzon
Member
 
F. de Luzon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 184
Default

This is wonderful! Thank you!

Regards from Manila,

F. de Luzon
F. de Luzon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th March 2017, 11:25 AM   #3
carlos
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 737
Default

And 2 more Wall plaques sold in Spain ...
Attached Images
  
carlos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th March 2017, 03:14 PM   #4
kino
Member
 
kino's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,002
Default

Thanks for posting these photos Carlos.
Regarding the Palencia plaque, if this is the present state of the panoply, I commend the caretakers for doing a good job of maintaining it. The kampilans blade piercing seems to be in shape of a naga.

I thought only the Americans reversed the hilts position on the kris', it turns out the Spaniards did as well.
kino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th March 2017, 01:50 PM   #5
drac2k
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 1,230
Default

Fantastic plaques of Philippine weapons(do I see a Japanese Naginata there); did they go for huge money?The information may be in the link that you provided, but I can not open it.
On one of the plaques, it looks like it is dedicated to the Generals of the Brigade, D.Diego and Martin de Velasco.A quick search on the internet didn't result in any information on these individuals; are you aware of any history of these men?
drac2k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th March 2017, 02:42 PM   #6
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,119
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by drac2k
Fantastic plaques of Philippine weapons(do I see a Japanese Naginata there); did they go for huge money?The information may be in the link that you provided, but I can not open it.
On one of the plaques, it looks like it is dedicated to the Generals of the Brigade, D.Diego and Martin de Velasco.A quick search on the internet didn't result in any information on these individuals; are you aware of any history of these men?
The first general's name was D. Diego Buil, but i still didn't find anything in a search under that name.
Here is a translation of part of the article that talks about the two men named on the plaque.
"What is clear is that they were donated by General Buil, a soldier who was stationed in Palencia at the head of the Farnese Regiment, based today in Valladolid. Diego Buil and Martín de Velasco was born on August 15, 1843 and forged a solid professional career in the cavalry weapon throughout the second half of the nineteenth century, fighting fundamentally in the Carlist wars of the Isabellan side. It was destined to the island of Cuba in September of 1875, where it remained until 1884, year in which it returns to the Peninsula with the degree of colonel, after to have fought to the Cuban separtistas in different moments.
In May 1885, he was given the command of the Lancers of Farnesio, a regiment that was now quartered in Palencia, a city to which he would always feel strongly united. This regiment would leave the garrison of Palencia to move definitively to Valladolid in 1896. That year, Diego Buil, was named general of Brigade and continued to the front of the lancers."
David is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th March 2017, 03:19 PM   #7
carlos
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 737
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by drac2k
Fantastic plaques of Philippine weapons(do I see a Japanese Naginata there); did they go for huge money?The information may be in the link that you provided, but I can not open it.
On one of the plaques, it looks like it is dedicated to the Generals of the Brigade, D.Diego and Martin de Velasco.A quick search on the internet didn't result in any information on these individuals; are you aware of any history of these men?

The red Wall plaque was a present of the General to the city of Palencia.
The Green/ blue Wall plaque was sold by 2900 euros. and the yellow Wall plaque I don,t know was the Price.

Thanks
carlos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th March 2017, 03:51 PM   #8
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,769
Default

Hello Carlos,

thank you for posting this! I see some very intersting weapons on the plaques!

Regards,
Detlef
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th March 2017, 04:25 PM   #9
Gavin Nugent
Member
 
Gavin Nugent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,818
Default

Neat presentations, thank you.

What if any attribution can be made for the double spear head seen down the page? And exacting details?

Gavin
Gavin Nugent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th March 2017, 05:09 PM   #10
drac2k
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 1,230
Default

Thanks for the information on the generals and the price of the plaque(I think it was a great price for the buyer).
I was wondering about the double headed spear myself, which to me seems to be more African in nature ;I have one that resembles that one, but with 4 heads.
drac2k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th March 2017, 06:19 PM   #11
kino
Member
 
kino's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,002
Default

I've had this for many years.
It originally came with a collection of Luzon and Visayan sandata.
Attached Images
  
kino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th March 2017, 10:21 PM   #12
Spunjer
Member
 
Spunjer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Witness Protection Program
Posts: 1,730
Default

i believe the double headed spear is known as "dua sanga", per Andson Cowie's book English-Sulu-Malay Vocabulary
Spunjer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th March 2017, 08:06 PM   #13
Rafngard
Member
 
Rafngard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Minneapolis,MN
Posts: 340
Default

Hello All,

Apologies if the answer is obvious, but do we know anything about this one?

It almost looks like a Sangi and a Barong had a baby.

Thanks,
Leif
Attached Images
 
Rafngard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th March 2017, 08:11 PM   #14
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,119
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafngard
It almost looks like a Sangi and a Barong had a baby.
That's what i was thinking Leif. I've never seen one quite like it. Anybody?
David is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th March 2017, 08:24 PM   #15
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,769
Default

It could be a small bladed panabas with cut down handle!?
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th March 2017, 08:26 PM   #16
Rafngard
Member
 
Rafngard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Minneapolis,MN
Posts: 340
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sajen
It could be a small bladed panabas with cut down handle!?

You're right the handle does look a lot like a Panabas.

Let me update our story. A barong and a sangi had a baby and it was adopted by a panabas who later moved to Spain.

Oh, and I assume the horizontal thing isn't a crossguard, but a piece of leather which is holding the baby to the plaque. Do people agree?

Thank,
Leif
Rafngard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th March 2017, 08:38 PM   #17
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,769
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafngard
Oh, and I assume the horizontal thing isn't a crossguard, but a piece of leather which is holding the baby to the plaque. Do people agree?
Yes!
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th March 2017, 09:23 PM   #18
Spunjer
Member
 
Spunjer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Witness Protection Program
Posts: 1,730
Default

it's a rare form of Panabas, per Cato's Moro Sword
Spunjer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th March 2017, 12:12 AM   #19
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,219
Default

According to Cato, this form of pandas is for fighting.
Battara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th March 2017, 02:46 AM   #20
CCUAL
Member
 
CCUAL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 76
Default

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=panabas
Attached Images
 
CCUAL is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:20 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.