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Hi everyone.Have a nice year.My name Ilias and I am visiting this forum for a long time and I know that that you have huge amount of knowledge.Since now I my visit was only for reading and learn new things.Now I need your help.This is what I bought .Can you please advice me if it is a lance or a spear or what says the inscription on it? If you want better pictures I can get when it comes to my hands.
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WELCOME TO THE FORUM
![]() PERHAPS IT IS THE TIP OR BUTT SPIKE FOR A STANDARD OR REGIMENTAL FLAG. I ASSUME THEY WERE USED BY THE ISLAMIC ARMYS AS WELL AS BRITISH, ECT. JUST MY BEST GUESS ![]() PERHAPS A MEMBER WITH MORE KNOWLEGE IN THE FIELD CAN GIVE YOU SOME GOOD INFORMATION AND INTERPRET THE INFORMATION. GOOD LUCK |
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Thanks Vandoo.
You are right that I must add dimensions.It is approx.132cm.Long enough If you concinder and the saft that must had at the back. |
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Looks like a spit for shish-kebabs.
Sorry if it sounds humorous or ironic; I did not mean any sarcasm, but that what it looks like to me... |
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It looks like the end spike of a big African spear. As it looks like a version of Arabic script I would think it has a present day Sudan origin. It might even be the working end of a human shish kabab thing. It is certainly African could even be from the east side of central Africa, Arab influence reached into the Congo. I think it is really nice just a terrible shame that it is all you have of it.
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Welcome Ilias
Too big, too fancy and lot of patina for sish kebab Ariel. ![]() If Tim says it is African, that is good for me. But someone must translate. As far as I can understand the letters are upside down |
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It seems much too long for a spike end of a spear. Also it is quite nice and fancy but I don't have a clue.
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Long spike end of East African spear. I have never seen one with a rectangular section like yours. The horizontal pictures here are of a Western Soudan spear with similar section and work around the socket. I so far have never seen a spear with that type of end spike from this region, does not mean they do not exist. I could see your item as a big awl type of lance. To kabab people with.
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Maybe you are right, but I want to refer at a search that I made and I found at Henri Moser book "Orientalische sammlung" edition 1955 a spear from Turkestan that it is almost the same with sort saft at the back.The spear is 103cm long and total length 152 cm.I will try to attach the photo.
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These are the images I said before.Do you see any simillarities? That spear is 103cm but there is a similar spear at 123cm and total length 186cm.This one at the photo is 157cm.
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