Hijaz, belted Jambiya

archer · 10th March 2011, 02:48 AM

Hi, This appears old the sheath shape is more like Saudi to me. The blade shape
is almost Shibriya like With a crudely made fuller. The wooden insert is snug and has an odd inner shape. I was thinking maybe a side knife? or Boys? Belt is for 34inch waist. Sheath seems small 7X51/2 inches. The blade is 61/2 inches by 1 3/4inches wide. Your thoughts on it. Thank you for your comments, Steve

kahnjar1 · 10th March 2011, 04:35 AM

My pick would be probably Yemeni.
Regards Stu

Lew · 10th March 2011, 04:45 AM

I disagree with Stu I think It is Saudi the belt looks to be all leather and the scabbard does not look Yemeni either more a mix of Saudi and maybe Omani without the rings? Funny how the blade has a rather crude fuller and not a raised rib this is definitely not a Yemeni trait.

kahnjar1 · 10th March 2011, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lew

I disagree with Stu I think It is Saudi the belt looks to be all leather and the scabbard does not look Yemeni either more a mix of Saudi and maybe Omani without the rings? Funny how the blade has a rather crude fuller and not a raised rib this is definitely not a Yemeni trait.

Yes it is actually a very strange combination of Shibriyya blade with the scabbard from somewhere else. My thinking towards Yemen was based on the "meccan almost" hilt, with what seems to be a scabbard, with at least the silver?? being decorated with nails in Yemeni style. The belt style looks to be Saudi. Hopefully Steve will come in on this if he is not already on the way to Timonium.
Attached pic is of a Yemeni dagger with a similar style hilt.

archer · 10th March 2011, 08:51 PM

Hi Lew and Stu, The belt is all leather my main reference is Oriental Arms lists,
they consider them to be Wahabi ( Hijaz). I also felt the sheath was a slimmed down version ala Oman,without the rings. Stu, the hilt has some resemblance to your photo, but, this ones very used. Is it possible this a generational piece that reflects migration to other Arabic areas? That might explain the crude fuller to mimic a raised ridge on an existing blade. What do you make of the mail like sheath over attachment? Thanks again, Steve

kahnjar1 · 11th March 2011, 04:25 AM

The belt style certainly is similar to the belts on some Hijazi Dharia type daggers, and other saudi daggers, but there the resemblance ends in my opinion.
As I said before I would hope that Steve Gracie comes in on this thread, as he is very knowledgeable on arabian daggers
Regards Stu

10th March 2011, 02:48 AM	#1
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Hijaz, belted Jambiya Hi, This appears old the sheath shape is more like Saudi to me. The blade shape is almost Shibriya like With a crudely made fuller. The wooden insert is snug and has an odd inner shape. I was thinking maybe a side knife? or Boys? Belt is for 34inch waist. Sheath seems small 7X51/2 inches. The blade is 61/2 inches by 1 3/4inches wide. Your thoughts on it. Thank you for your comments, Steve Attached Images

10th March 2011, 08:51 PM	#5
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Number 6 Combo Hi Lew and Stu, The belt is all leather my main reference is Oriental Arms lists, they consider them to be Wahabi ( Hijaz). I also felt the sheath was a slimmed down version ala Oman,without the rings. Stu, the hilt has some resemblance to your photo, but, this ones very used. Is it possible this a generational piece that reflects migration to other Arabic areas? That might explain the crude fuller to mimic a raised ridge on an existing blade. What do you make of the mail like sheath over attachment? Thanks again, Steve Attached Images

10th March 2011, 04:35 AM	#2
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,741	My pick would be probably Yemeni. Regards Stu

10th March 2011, 04:45 AM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	I disagree with Stu I think It is Saudi the belt looks to be all leather and the scabbard does not look Yemeni either more a mix of Saudi and maybe Omani without the rings? Funny how the blade has a rather crude fuller and not a raised rib this is definitely not a Yemeni trait.

11th March 2011, 04:25 AM	#6
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,741	The belt style certainly is similar to the belts on some Hijazi Dharia type daggers, and other saudi daggers, but there the resemblance ends in my opinion. As I said before I would hope that Steve Gracie comes in on this thread, as he is very knowledgeable on arabian daggers Regards Stu