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As the title suggests- among your weapons, what are your favorite laminated ones and why?
To start off- here's my kalis and kris, both of which have white-tinged laminations which glint when put to light. Not so clear on my cellphone camera, but you get the idea. I like them because of the contrast of the white-tinged areas on the rest of the blade and how it reflects on sunlight. All laminated ethnographic weapons (not only blades) are welcome ![]() |
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One of my favorite gunongs, previously posted here, has an impressive laminated blade.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23088 Enjoy, Leif |
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One of my favorites is a Georgian laminated qama.
Another of my favourites is a small yataghan in Turkish ribbon. Last but not least is a Balinese wedhung (I cleaned and re-etched the blade, so now looks much better than in the photos). Last edited by mariusgmioc; 3rd June 2021 at 08:00 AM. |
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Excellent laminations sir- the first two are great, but the wedhung is jaw-dropping, it's my first time to see one etched like that!
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Here's some better pics, along with another nicely laminated gunong.
Thanks, Leif |
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This wedung pamor motif is a descendent of Dietrich Drescher's "Pamor Poleng", designed by Mr. Drescher and executed by Empu Pauzan Pusposukadgo of Surakarta.
This motif was later copied by the pandes of Aeng Tong-tong near Sumenep in Madura. I have a Madura keris bethok with the poleng motif. |
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Yes David
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Yes David
Here is a photo of a picture in a pamphlet of the original by Empu Pauzan. This keris was presented to a Government Minister, Bapak Mengko Polkam H. Surono. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24665 |
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Here is my favourite laminated knife, not at all flamboyant, no fancy pattern welding, but over 4000 nominal layers of material, and it has been hardened & the temper drawn.
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This is one gunong (that was stolen years ago) that I had with a very tight lamination:
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Here is a Sulu kris I have, early, with an interesting double twist core.
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My georgian Kindjal from the early 19th century is my favourite.
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Just got this piece from the auction of David’s collection. I am honored to be its keeper for a time.
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Here’s a few with laminations… a kalis, barung, and a couple of spear heads.
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Very nice! Those narrow light colored curving lines in the twist core (pattern-welded) panel of the left spear head will contain nickel.
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Just before the pandemic struck, I had performed a survey of my collection with an XRF analyzer. When we think of medieval Europe and twist-core patterns, iron with phosphorus was most often used to get the lighter colored areas. Modern bladesmiths will use nickel or nickel alloys (even meteorite). Interestingly, many of the Moro pieces show use of both materials. I hope to finish analyzing the data before too much longer, but your spear showed the feature ever so well. It could be chrome, but I doubt it as it looks like an item of respectable age. Thank you again for showing these.
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Lee raises a very good point about the usefulness of X-Ray Fluorescence (XRF) in assessing the elemental composition of blades. While there are some technical issues with detecting certain elements, the technique is non-destructive and well suited to analyzing the surface of weapons. It offers important insight, for example, into the metals used in old blades. Look forward to seeing what the results turn up, Lee.
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Here is an example of a Kindjal blade.
Kurt |
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Great and rare piece, Kurt!
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When I bought this dagger it was very polihed but I thought I saw patterns in the steel. I etched and hoped for wootz, it was not. Even so I really like the pattern and how it transfers to the T-spine.
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^^^
I'd love to see a picture of the entire piece. ![]() |
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Sure thing Rick
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Amazing piece !!! I Love it !
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Wow!!
The blade looks like Bali pamor. What did you etch it with? Stunning. Thank you. |
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The scabbard is velvet on wood.
I etched with ferric cloride first and polished it. Then I did a final etch with hot instant coffe (very, very, VERY strong)for 30 minutes. I have not gotten that to work on wootz sadly. |
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like this one, with a ''double blade'' here a decorative kard with hidden blade, too fancy and a little toy-like but the damas seems to be real |
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