Unknow flintlock military pistol austrian, german?

Valjhun · 14th February 2013, 09:58 PM

Hi,

Got offered this pistol recently. Maker marked but hard to read.

Anybody familiar with the type, model, provenience?

Martin Lubojacky · 14th February 2013, 10:11 PM

LHANDER ???

Atlantia · 14th February 2013, 10:30 PM

Looks like it says BRANDER to me.

Norman McCormick · 14th February 2013, 10:59 PM

Hi,
Here's a couple of photos from an old auction catalogue of the same type of Brander marked pistol, unfortunately there is no indication of the history of the item in the description. It will however let you see what a complete one should look like. It looks to me like a military issue weapon possibly Northern Europe but that's as far as I would care to speculate. Hope this is of some help.
My Regards,
Norman.

Jim McDougall · 16th February 2013, 01:35 AM

wonder if its the same Brander of Brander & Potts in England early 19th and during Napoleonic campaigns. Looks like a trade quality postol.

Valjhun · 16th February 2013, 03:05 PM

Thank you for your replies!

Norman, yes it is precisely same model.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

wonder if its the same Brander of Brander & Potts in England early 19th and during Napoleonic campaigns. Looks like a trade quality postol.

Jim, yes I was thinking about the same. It would be just a guess, but it can be pistol that Brander made prior to join forces with Potts and becoming the famoys Brander&Potts? The signature seem more rude than the original factory signature by brander&pots, so it could be earlier or perhaps a period copied.The first model by B&P that I can find is the m1796 british dragoon light pistol. So I'm wondering, is it possible that the presented pistol dates back in 18th century? Is there any recorded history of Brander&Potts establishment and how they begin? Were they two different firms merging in B&P or it was established as B&P from the beginning?

Pukka Bundook · 17th February 2013, 03:44 AM

I think this is relatively new, The stock appears to be beech and I know of no original with the butt-section shaped like this. The lock is very crudely made with modern bent form of feather spring.
It reminds me strongly of some of the offerings being produced in the 1960's before reproduction muzzleloaders were made with any degree of authenticity.
Please pardon this somewhat blunt assesment, but can only say how it appears to me. :-)
I could elaborate further, but think I have made my case.

With very best wishes,
Richard.

Valjhun · 25th February 2013, 08:30 AM

Agree with you Pukka! I found out also that it is a repro, meant for target shooting with black powder. Thank you for giving me the doubt!

Pukka Bundook · 3rd March 2013, 02:37 PM

You are most welcome Valjhun.

I dislike being the bearer of bad news, but would rather do so before a purchase is made, than afterwards!

napoleon · 3rd March 2013, 05:28 PM

looks like BRANDER for sure.if the name is anything to go by german i would have said intersting thanks for sharing

14th February 2013, 09:58 PM	#1
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Unknow flintlock military pistol austrian, german? Hi, Got offered this pistol recently. Maker marked but hard to read. Anybody familiar with the type, model, provenience? Attached Images

14th February 2013, 10:59 PM	#4
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,596	Hi, Here's a couple of photos from an old auction catalogue of the same type of Brander marked pistol, unfortunately there is no indication of the history of the item in the description. It will however let you see what a complete one should look like. It looks to me like a military issue weapon possibly Northern Europe but that's as far as I would care to speculate. Hope this is of some help. My Regards, Norman. Attached Images

3rd March 2013, 05:28 PM	#10
napoleon Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 88	PISTOL looks like BRANDER for sure.if the name is anything to go by german i would have said intersting thanks for sharing

14th February 2013, 10:11 PM	#2
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 841	LHANDER ???

14th February 2013, 10:30 PM	#3
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Looks like it says BRANDER to me.

16th February 2013, 01:35 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,940	wonder if its the same Brander of Brander & Potts in England early 19th and during Napoleonic campaigns. Looks like a trade quality postol.

17th February 2013, 03:44 AM	#7
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	I think this is relatively new, The stock appears to be beech and I know of no original with the butt-section shaped like this. The lock is very crudely made with modern bent form of feather spring. It reminds me strongly of some of the offerings being produced in the 1960's before reproduction muzzleloaders were made with any degree of authenticity. Please pardon this somewhat blunt assesment, but can only say how it appears to me. :-) I could elaborate further, but think I have made my case. With very best wishes, Richard.

25th February 2013, 08:30 AM	#8
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Agree with you Pukka! I found out also that it is a repro, meant for target shooting with black powder. Thank you for giving me the doubt!

3rd March 2013, 02:37 PM	#9
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	You are most welcome Valjhun. I dislike being the bearer of bad news, but would rather do so before a purchase is made, than afterwards!