Spanish Miquelet Lock Fowling Piece, Cadiz 1811

[dana_w]

Can someone with a copy of HEER DER NEUE STOCKEL help me find this maker?

Thanks!
Dana

[Fernando K]

Hi, Dana

Maybe I'm totally wrong. The M is the first letter of the name (Manuel?) And last name, at first glance, seems to be LOVING (Amoroso). But on second glance, appears to be composed of two surnames, AMO and ROS-

One such AMO appears as sheriff of RR.FF (actual factories) (royal factories) in 1707:

Ramiro Larranaga "Synthesis Basque History of the Armory", page 197:

AMO, Jeronimo's - Sheriff of RR.FF, 1707

Affectionately. Fernando K

[dana_w]

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hi, Dana

Maybe I'm totally wrong. The M is the first letter of the name (Manuel?) And last name, at first glance, seems to be LOVING (Amoroso). But on second glance, appears to be composed of two surnames, AMO and ROS-

One such AMO appears as sheriff of RR.FF (actual factories) (royal factories) in 1707:

Ramiro Larranaga "Synthesis Basque History of the Armory", page 197:

AMO, Jeronimo's - Sheriff of RR.FF, 1707

Affectionately. Fernando K

Thanks Fernando K. If only these weapons could talk. I'd love to know how it ended up in Florida and how long it has been here.

The only thing I know about Cadiz, is that they had some very high quality coal there in the Mid 1800s.

[fernando]

Very nice example, Dana.
Surely M Amoros ... not Amoroso=loving.
Amorós is a surname used in Spain.
It is possible that this gunsmith from Cadiz is not listed in books, like so many.

[dana_w]

Originally Posted by fernando

Very nice example, Dana.
Surely M Amoros ... not Amoroso=loving.
Amorós is a surname used in Spain.
It is possible that this gunsmith from Cadiz is not listed in books, like so many.

Thanks Fernando. Provincial makers are hard for me to find. If they're not listed in Lavin's or Neal's book, I am out of luck.

[Marcus den toom]

I tried to find the gunsmith in my Der neue Stockel books, but he doesn't show up anywhere. The explaination by Fernando seems quite good. The only thing i am curious about is the crown above this "name". As far as i know only gunsmiths with royal "connections" where allowed tu use such marks?
If this is true you would wonder if he didn't have a mentionable name?

The neue stockel only mentions 2 names in Cadiz (3e volume page 1815).
-Juan Cano
-Fransico Lopez

No other information about Cadiz.

[dana_w]

Originally Posted by Marcus den toom

I tried to find the gunsmith in my Der neue Stockel books, but he doesn't show up anywhere. The explaination by Fernando seems quite good. The only thing i am curious about is the crown above this "name". As far as i know only gunsmiths with royal "connections" where allowed tu use such marks?
If this is true you would wonder if he didn't have a mentionable name?

The neue stockel only mentions 2 names in Cadiz (3e volume page 1815).
-Juan Cano
-Fransico Lopez

No other information about Cadiz.

Thanks so much Marcus. Now I know.

Unfortunately there are many examples of gunsmiths claiming titles like Armero del Rey (Arms Maker to the King), that had not been conferred by the crown. The first name that comes to mind is Pedro A. Esteva (c 1680-1740), see Spanish Firearms by Lavin page 260.

Thanks again!

[Marcus den toom]

My pleasure, i was lucky enough to spot the books for a good price, they are hard to find so sharing a bit of this luck with others is the least i can do, eventhough the answer was not as lucky i guess :/

[dana_w]

Originally Posted by Marcus den toom

My pleasure, i was lucky enough to spot the books for a good price, they are hard to find so sharing a bit of this luck with others is the least i can do, eventhough the answer was not as lucky i guess :/

Just knowing the information is not is STOCKEL is helpful.