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Old 13th June 2024, 03:43 PM   #1
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Default Ceremonial sword, Hemba/Luba, D.R. Congo

A new sword has arrived in my African collection.

The Hemba (Luba Hemba) people (or Eastern Luba) are a Bantu ethnic group in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC).

Quite a rare item; I only came across a couple of specimens from this ethnic group.

A special feature is the very massive handle - a pommel with one body and two faces.

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total length – 620 mm, sword length – 590 mm, blade length – 380 mm, blade width at the hilt – 65 mm, blade thickness – 3 mm, weight with sheath – 1000 g, weight – 620 g

By all indications, this sword is some kind of symbol of power or status.

Each Hemba clan has a kabeja, a figurine with one body and two faces, male and female, on one neck. Sacrifices are made to the Kabeje, who pass them on to the spirits.
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Old 13th June 2024, 08:36 PM   #3
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enclosed 2 more interesting links concerning tribal maps

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...8&postcount=47

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[QUOTE=gp;291551]enclosed 2 more interesting links concerning tribal maps

Thank you gp

Very useful information
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Very nice and complete example!
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Very nice and complete example!
Hi Detlef, thanks!

Now comes the pleasant task of cleaning.
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Hi Detlef, thanks!

Now comes the pleasant task of cleaning.
Regards, Yuri
Please share pics after it!

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Judging from the appearance of the masks, kifwebe, depicted on the handle and scabbard, I would say Songye rather than Luba. It is often difficult to attribute an object to a people, especially when use and design are so close. Interesting piece.

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[QUOTE=Sajen;291567]Please share pics after it!

Necessarily.

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Judging from the appearance of the masks, kifwebe, depicted on the handle and scabbard, I would say Songye rather than Luba. It is often difficult to attribute an object to a people, especially when use and design are so close. Interesting piece.

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Hi Marc, thanks!

Yes, very similar to Songye.

You're right, Hemba and Songye's ancestors migrated from the Luba Empire, so they have a lot in common.

On the Hemba people, I found information on the Kabeja cult. There are figurines for Songye Janus Two Faced, but I have not found a description of the cult.

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Thanks to Mark's help, I am amending the identification of the sword.

The sword clearly belongs to the culture of the Songye people.
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Thank you for the vintage picture of the warrior.I always considered the shield that he has ,with the carving and face to be made for tourists, but it appears that I may have been wrong based on the photograph.
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Thank you for the vintage picture of the warrior.I always considered the shield that he has ,with the carving and face to be made for tourists, but it appears that I may have been wrong based on the photograph.
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Cleaned and tidied up the sword. Here is the result:
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Cleaned and tidied up the sword. Here is the result:
beautiful faces ! my compliment; very nicely cleaned !
Enclosed 2 pics from Kifwebe masks, the 2nd from the Brooklyn Museum
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beautiful faces ! my compliment; very nicely cleaned !
Enclosed 2 pics from Kifwebe masks, the 2nd from the Brooklyn Museum
Thanks gp

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Very good job, congrats!
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Very good job, congrats!
Thanks Detlef :п
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