Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > European Armoury
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 1st March 2015, 12:39 PM   #1
cornelistromp
Member
 
cornelistromp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,058
Default eBay CLAYMORE OR CLAY(NO)MORE

in Arms and Armour there is a lot of junk offered on eBay however rarely sometimes interesting weapons.

such as this claymore sword;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/231478254890...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

a weapon friend from the same city sent me the link to the auction, original claymores are one of the rarest swords in the world,only a handful genuine ones are known.
I also expect that this is a later reproduction, 19th C or 20th C, if you look at the lines on the ricasso, it looks that it is made by casting, it doesn't look forged and chiselled.

So I have made an offer by mail which was accepted by the selling party who ended the auction
if all goes well and according to the seller, the sword is on the way to me, but I also take into account scams because the given USPS tracking nr is only known as pre-shipment information at USPS. I asked the seller for the mailing receipt to sort it out, we will see.

if I may receive the sword I will tell more about it in detail and post additional info.

more to follow.

best
Jasper
Attached Images
            
cornelistromp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 1st March 2015, 12:48 PM   #2
cornelistromp
Member
 
cornelistromp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,058
Default

some more
Attached Images
            
cornelistromp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 1st March 2015, 02:09 PM   #3
fernando
(deceased)
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
Default

Well Jasper, if this doesn't turn up 'too good to be true', you have certainly made the deal of the year.
Can't wait to hear further news.
fernando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd March 2015, 02:35 AM   #4
ChrisPer
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 35
Default

It has style.

I like it.
ChrisPer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th March 2015, 12:23 AM   #5
Marcus
Member
 
Marcus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 420
Default ditto

Hope it works out!
Marcus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th March 2015, 03:52 AM   #6
Shakethetrees
Member
 
Shakethetrees's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 363
Default

I hate to throw a wet blanket on the party, but, with the blade incruststion all over except for the extreme tip and adjacent edges, I believe this is a 20th century repro.

If one observes blades of a known old age, the points are usually rounded or somewhat deformed from years of contact with the floor of the old building or barn, kids and adults poking, dragging, and hitting things not meant to be cut with a sword, electrolytic corrosion from ground action, etc.

More likely the forte and ricasso will show original surface than the point.
Shakethetrees is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th March 2015, 10:24 AM   #7
cornelistromp
Member
 
cornelistromp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,058
Default

For the moment, I also think, as indicated in # 1 that it is a 19th or 20th century reproduction, for several reasons.
I come back on this after receipt.
best,
jasper
cornelistromp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th March 2015, 10:32 AM   #8
ulfberth
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 403
Default

Hello Jasper,

I'm quite sure I found two similar one's , If you want you can pm me beacause for the moment they can not be discussed on the forum.

Kind regards

Ulfberth
ulfberth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2015, 05:04 PM   #9
cornelistromp
Member
 
cornelistromp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,058
Default

yes there are more alike.
as a model for those later pieces has probably served a claymore in kelvingrove art museum.

parcel received today
Attached Images
           

Last edited by cornelistromp; 20th March 2015 at 07:37 PM.
cornelistromp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2015, 07:40 PM   #10
cornelistromp
Member
 
cornelistromp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,058
Default

some more
Attached Images
       

Last edited by cornelistromp; 20th March 2015 at 07:55 PM.
cornelistromp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2015, 08:06 PM   #11
cornelistromp
Member
 
cornelistromp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,058
Default

this one is sold for GBP 240.000 at Thomas del mar in 2007, an absolute record.

http://www.antiquestradegazette.com/...cottish-sword/

AN EXCEPTIONALLY RARE SCOTTISH HIGHLAND TWO HAND SWORD, CLAIDHEAMH MOR, THIRD QUARTER OF THE 16TH CENTURY with broad flat blade cut with a pair of fullers and incised with lines on each face, stamped with two dagger-like marks, a star, and the letters 'L K' a running wolf between, rectangular ricasso struck with a Pi mark on one side (rubbed, slightly bent), steel hilt comprising a pair of robust downward-slanting quillons of flattened-hexagonal section with characteristic quatrefoil terminals, rounded collar flattened on each side, a pair of attenuated langets filed with a series of lines at the base, small wheel pommel drawn-out on each side in the centre, and later wooden grip (cleaned throughout) 97cm; 38 1/4in blade Inv. no. E035 Remarkably few of these very distinctive swords have survived, the majority of which are preserved in institutional collections. No other examples have appeared on the market in recent years. For a discussion of Scottish two hand swords and their chronology see T. Willis 1996, pp. 16-19. Swords blades of this period with the same group of marks are preserved in the Landeszeughaus Graz, inv. nos. BL166 and BL168. £50000-80000
Nil

lot279.jpg (14107 bytes)
200000
Attached Images
  
cornelistromp is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:20 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.