Identification cartouche on shamshir

JBG163 · 10th May 2020, 09:46 AM

Dear all,
i friend of mine got an offer for a nice wootz shamshir with a cartouche.
As the photos are from the seller, i just cut off the cartouche.
Someone can help me with the traduction ?
Thanks in advance everybody.
And if there is a problem with that post,
Don't hesitate to delete it !
Julien

Ian · 10th May 2020, 10:19 AM

JBG:

Please post a picture of the entire sword (see requirements for ID posted at the top of the Ethnographic Forum page).

Ian

JBG163 · 10th May 2020, 11:53 AM

Here we go !

ariel · 10th May 2020, 02:16 PM

To me it looks like an Ottoman " kilic adjemi ( Literally " foreign [ persian style] sword"). From the pic the blade looks like having a wide shallow fuller ( I might be imagining it). If so, the blade might be European. I understand that your friend does not have it yet. Etching it might help.
I would suggest waiting for Kwiatek's reading of the cartouches.

JBG163 · 10th May 2020, 03:55 PM

The blade is from wootz, i got another picture.
I tryed to identify the cartouche and someone suggest me : "I put my trust in God".
But always better to double check

!

ariel · 10th May 2020, 07:50 PM

Could you show wootz structure, please?

kwiatek · 11th May 2020, 10:34 PM

The reading is correct, tawakkaltu 'ala allah ('I put my trust in God')

The other inscription reads 'Work of Asadullah', clearly meant to be Asadullah of Isfahan.

The style of both inscriptions though is Ottoman

JBG163 · 12th May 2020, 07:22 PM

Thanks a lot for this response ! That's really helpfull !

JBG163 · 20th May 2020, 09:39 PM

Here is the wootz structure...
Sorry for the late response.
My friend doesn't get it... But a another one got ! Hahaha

10th May 2020, 09:46 AM	#1
JBG163 Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: France Posts: 207	Identification cartouche on shamshir Dear all, i friend of mine got an offer for a nice wootz shamshir with a cartouche. As the photos are from the seller, i just cut off the cartouche. Someone can help me with the traduction ? Thanks in advance everybody. And if there is a problem with that post, Don't hesitate to delete it ! Julien Attached Images

10th May 2020, 11:53 AM	#3
JBG163 Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: France Posts: 207	Here we go ! Attached Images

20th May 2020, 09:39 PM	#9
JBG163 Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: France Posts: 207	Here is the wootz structure... Sorry for the late response. My friend doesn't get it... But a another one got ! Hahaha Attached Images

10th May 2020, 10:19 AM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,200	JBG: Please post a picture of the entire sword (see requirements for ID posted at the top of the Ethnographic Forum page). Ian

10th May 2020, 02:16 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	To me it looks like an Ottoman " kilic adjemi ( Literally " foreign [ persian style] sword"). From the pic the blade looks like having a wide shallow fuller ( I might be imagining it). If so, the blade might be European. I understand that your friend does not have it yet. Etching it might help. I would suggest waiting for Kwiatek's reading of the cartouches.

10th May 2020, 03:55 PM	#5
JBG163 Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: France Posts: 207	The blade is from wootz, i got another picture. I tryed to identify the cartouche and someone suggest me : "I put my trust in God". But always better to double check !

10th May 2020, 07:50 PM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Could you show wootz structure, please?

11th May 2020, 10:34 PM	#7
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	The reading is correct, tawakkaltu 'ala allah ('I put my trust in God') The other inscription reads 'Work of Asadullah', clearly meant to be Asadullah of Isfahan. The style of both inscriptions though is Ottoman

12th May 2020, 07:22 PM	#8
JBG163 Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: France Posts: 207	Thanks a lot for this response ! That's really helpfull !