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Colleagues, I ask everyone to express their opinion as to name an item on the photos:
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Pulwar.
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Schamshir blade. Kurt |
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Of course, Kurt. But if this item is called a single word, he - Shamshir or Pulvar? |
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The hilt is the ID of the user so I would say Pulwar....
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Indeed, this is a Pulwar. The blade types are found in a vast region through trade yet the hilt is ethnically chosen from the region which in my opinion should call this a Pulwar
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As per Stone's Glossary, it is a Pulwar.
As per Elgood's Glossary ( see his book on Indian weapons), and Oliver Pinchot's book Weapons of the Paladins, Pulwar is a mis-transcribed Tulwar, so it is a figment of European imagination:-) As per info from my informants from the Western Pakistan ( Pakhtunkhwa, populated by ethnic Afghanis), nobody there knows the word Pulwar: for them it is a Shamshir. Sometimes, words and names acquire their own life: we make "Xerox copies" using HP, Brother and Canon copiers:-) In this particular case, the word Pulwar will convey maximum information for a Westerner, despite a very dubious connection with the true native tradition. So, gentlemen, as barmen say, choose your poison:-) If we want quick and easy lingo, it is, undoubtedly, a Pulwar. If we are writing a catalog description for a major museum, it may be something like " an Afghani saber with a Persian shamshir blade and a handle stemming from old Deccani examples" This should be followed by a 5-page long dissertation citing multiple references and reconciling conflicting opinions Ain't life a bitch? :-) |
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Yep! it is...No doubt... ![]() Very concise breakdown of the literature Ariel. ![]() |
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I apologize for my English. Thank you all for the views expressed. Gavin, thank you for opinion. I totally agree with you. Ariel, I did not ask to write the story of the origin of the handles of swords in Afghanistan. I asked a specific question. And what's the difference, as in Afghanistan called saber? This is interesting from the point of view of ethnography. Nothing more. In modern literature there is a specific term "Pulvar." And those who are associated with oriental weapon it is clear that we are talking about afghan sabre. |
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Well, if you are satisfied with a simple answer, if it does not bother you that the very word Pulwar might be a spelling error and that native Afghanis might not even know what Pulwar is, that's fine with me.
In this case it is a Pulwar, as I already said:-) Does it answer your question now? Last edited by ariel; 21st March 2015 at 04:34 AM. |
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We always learn something new about the Afghan weapons. A year ago, no one knew that in some parts of Afghanistan, the Khyber knife called "seelava" and lohar - "Daas". Therefore, the word Pulwar might be a spelling error. But maybe we just did not find the information that somewhere in Afghanistan so called saber.
But most importantly, as I wrote earlier, the literature has long adopted the term "pulvar." Therefore, your answer: Quote:
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Interesting blade. Was it etched?
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wootz blade
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Hello, spiral ![]() This Pulvar my friend. And he - satisfied and happy))) |
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