English sword model 1796

Alexander · 7th June 2011, 02:11 PM

Dear friends! I want to ask your opinion on a sword of 1796.
1. Me the detailed information on brand HARVEY interests.
2. On a sheath date 1810, what it means? Figures 222 (number of a sheath)? And a star? Respect, Alexander.

Atlantia · 7th June 2011, 02:16 PM

Hi Alexander

Could the makers name read 'HADLEY'? It doesn't look like 'HARVEY' to me.

Edit: Thomas Hadley & Sons of Birmingham would seem to have the right date range, but I'm not familiar with how their swords were marked so can't say for sure if this is one.
Lovely sword BTW.

Edit 2: Just having a 'bing' and came up with this from a thread over at SFI about a 1796 LC made by HADLEY:

"Mr De Witt Bailey has written a very interesting book “British Board of Ordnance Small Arms Contractors 1689-1840”. It is based on the BO Bill Book or treasurer’s ledger.

Thomas Hadley from Birmingham was recorded as barrels, locks, bayonets, swords and rammers provider with dates: June 1776 – August 1781; May 1804 – March 1818; October – November 1823 and final date of appearance on March 1828."

Best
Gene

Atlantia · 7th June 2011, 02:33 PM

Spine stamp picture of the aforementioned HADLEY 1796LC:

Atlantia · 7th June 2011, 02:35 PM

Spine marking on a British 1804 cutlass:

fernando · 7th June 2011, 03:21 PM

Very nice sword, Alexander !

Atlantia · 7th June 2011, 05:39 PM

Here is a digital reconstruction of the spine markings on your sword as HADLEY:

katana · 7th June 2011, 06:17 PM

Nice sword Alex

one of my favourite patterns.

'Nando....I do hope your new avatar picture is not a self portrait, or is it.......interesting oriental hair style ....but you seem to have lost an eye

All the best
David

fernando · 7th June 2011, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

... 'Nando....I do hope your new avatar picture is not a self portrait, or is it.......interesting oriental hair style ....but you seem to have lost an eye

...

Ah, Ah, Ah ... Definitely this is not British humour

.
Why don't you lurk HERE ?

katana · 7th June 2011, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Ah, Ah, Ah ... Definitely this is not British humour

.
Why don't you lurk HERE ?

Hi 'Nando,
sorry, I didn't mean to offend

.......missed that thread

.

All the best
David

fernando · 7th June 2011, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

... I didn't mean to offend ...

Offend ??? now, this is British humour

.
Cherry u luv

... i adored your post

Jim McDougall · 7th June 2011, 08:27 PM

Beautifully done Gene!!!! and nicely presented. The M1796 is truly one of the most fascinating British cavalry sabres and besides being the first officially recognized pattern, actually ended up being used by many countries. It was so superbly regarded as the quintessant sabre that it became the M1811 Prussian cavalry sabre 'Blucher sabre'.
I dont think Ive ever seen a Harvey M1796 and Samuel Harvey worked mostly c.1750s into the 80s. His mark was placed on the blade and typically the 'running wolf' with his initials SH.

Alexander, yet another amazing British sword! Congratulations.

All best regards,
Jim

Atlantia · 7th June 2011, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Beautifully done Gene!!!! and nicely presented. The M1796 is truly one of the most fascinating British cavalry sabres and besides being the first officially recognized pattern, actually ended up being used by many countries. It was so superbly regarded as the quintessant sabre that it became the M1811 Prussian cavalry sabre 'Blucher sabre'.
I dont think Ive ever seen a Harvey M1796 and Samuel Harvey worked mostly c.1750s into the 80s. His mark was placed on the blade and typically the 'running wolf' with his initials SH.

Alexander, yet another amazing British sword! Congratulations.

All best regards,
Jim

Thank you very much Jim.

The 1796 really is one of 'those' swords isn't it?
The 'peacemaker' of Sabres.

I'm glad you agree with my thoughts on the maker.
I had some free time this afternoon (as you can see).
Here's a composite pic for Alexander, so if he wants he can save it as one file:

Alexander · 8th June 2011, 06:53 PM

Dear friends. Thanks for comments!
Gene separate thanks for reconstruction of a brand and a photo! I necessarily will use them.
Respect, Alexander.

Atlantia · 8th June 2011, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander

Dear friends. Thanks for comments!
Gene separate thanks for reconstruction of a brand and a photo! I necessarily will use them.
Respect, Alexander.

Alexander,

You are very welcome my friend.

Best Regards
Gene

7th June 2011, 02:11 PM	#1
Alexander Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Russia, Moscow. Posts: 48	English sword model 1796 Dear friends! I want to ask your opinion on a sword of 1796. 1. Me the detailed information on brand HARVEY interests. 2. On a sheath date 1810, what it means? Figures 222 (number of a sheath)? And a star? Respect, Alexander. Attached Images

7th June 2011, 02:16 PM	#2
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi Alexander Could the makers name read 'HADLEY'? It doesn't look like 'HARVEY' to me. Edit: Thomas Hadley & Sons of Birmingham would seem to have the right date range, but I'm not familiar with how their swords were marked so can't say for sure if this is one. Lovely sword BTW. Edit 2: Just having a 'bing' and came up with this from a thread over at SFI about a 1796 LC made by HADLEY: "Mr De Witt Bailey has written a very interesting book “British Board of Ordnance Small Arms Contractors 1689-1840”. It is based on the BO Bill Book or treasurer’s ledger. Thomas Hadley from Birmingham was recorded as barrels, locks, bayonets, swords and rammers provider with dates: June 1776 – August 1781; May 1804 – March 1818; October – November 1823 and final date of appearance on March 1828." Best Gene Last edited by Atlantia; 7th June 2011 at 02:38 PM.

7th June 2011, 02:33 PM	#3
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Spine stamp picture of the aforementioned HADLEY 1796LC: Attached Images

7th June 2011, 02:35 PM	#4
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Spine marking on a British 1804 cutlass: Attached Images

7th June 2011, 05:39 PM	#6
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Here is a digital reconstruction of the spine markings on your sword as HADLEY: Attached Images Last edited by Atlantia; 7th June 2011 at 06:02 PM.

7th June 2011, 03:21 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Very nice sword, Alexander !

7th June 2011, 06:17 PM	#7
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Nice sword Alex one of my favourite patterns. 'Nando....I do hope your new avatar picture is not a self portrait, or is it.......interesting oriental hair style ....but you seem to have lost an eye All the best David

7th June 2011, 08:27 PM	#11
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,943	Beautifully done Gene!!!! and nicely presented. The M1796 is truly one of the most fascinating British cavalry sabres and besides being the first officially recognized pattern, actually ended up being used by many countries. It was so superbly regarded as the quintessant sabre that it became the M1811 Prussian cavalry sabre 'Blucher sabre'. I dont think Ive ever seen a Harvey M1796 and Samuel Harvey worked mostly c.1750s into the 80s. His mark was placed on the blade and typically the 'running wolf' with his initials SH. Alexander, yet another amazing British sword! Congratulations. All best regards, Jim

8th June 2011, 06:53 PM	#13
Alexander Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Russia, Moscow. Posts: 48	Dear friends. Thanks for comments! Gene separate thanks for reconstruction of a brand and a photo! I necessarily will use them. Respect, Alexander.