A Balkan Knife

Sylektis · 16th October 2010, 11:09 PM

Hi,
I have this knife from Balkans but I would like to know where exactly was manufactured.
And something else:
I found this amulet (?) that need translation. I know that it is not a weapon, but can anybody help me or suggest me another forum?

Ron Anderson · 17th October 2010, 10:44 AM

Hi

Your knife is very much like mine. See below.

All I know is that mine is regarded as Ottoman Empire 19th century Turkey from Balkans area. I wouldn't mind is someone else could narrow the gap on the identification of mine too. I suspect Bosnia. But I just don' know.

Mine has engraving on the blade. On the one side is a snake, on the other some wavy patterns.

Dom · 17th October 2010, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sylektis

And something else:
I found this amulet (?) that need translation.

Hi
as far as you provide a pic for a nice knife
I hope so that the moderator will not have objection for a (quick) translation of an "ETHNIC" amulet

el fata illa Ali la saif illa zulfikar either There is no hero like Ali, There is no sword like the Zulfiqar,

Bismillah ar-Rahmân ar-Rahîm either in the Name of Allah (the Compassionate, the Merciful) ...

many parts writing in Farsi, noway no translate ... only Arabic
otherwise, names of "God" (Allah) Mohamed and so, FA .. TAMA in 2 parts for FATAMA (FATMA - FATIMA)

other side, again names, with a mention clearly Shiite (Kerbala - Iraq)
KARBALA MA'ALI ABDEL WAHAB FAHR EL DIN no translation, only names

that amulet should be Iranian, the mentions in Farsi, and anyway Shiite

à +

Dom

Sylektis · 17th October 2010, 05:56 PM

Thank you very much indeed Dom, you found also a connection with this forum (zulfikar...).
So can we suppose that it is a warrior's amulet?

Ron, can you post better pictures of yours?

Dom · 17th October 2010, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sylektis

Thank you very much indeed Dom, you found also a connection with this forum (zulfikar...).

no connection from my side, I dunno that forum
just a translation for what is related with Arabic language

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sylektis

So can we suppose that it is a warrior's amulet?

might be, but not an obligation,
could be for any kind of people, like a merchant,
but .. someone well established, it's expensive as amulet

no splitting between religious society and civil society,
the religion is in every where, with and for every thing,
I mean for Muslims

à +

Dom

TVV · 17th October 2010, 10:53 PM

I believe this knife is from Montenegro. There are similar examples from Boka Kotorska in Elgood's recent book on Western Balkan Arms and Armor, and there is another example, also attributed to MOntenegro in a little book by Hermann Historica called "Dolche und Messer aus dem Pesischen KulturRaum".

Sylektis · 21st December 2017, 01:16 PM

Αfter 7 years, thanks to my friend Hussein Hamdy Mahmoud Mohamed Genedy, I have a complete translation of the amulet. I prefer to upload his handwritten note.

16th October 2010, 11:09 PM	#1
Sylektis Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 136	A Balkan Knife Hi, I have this knife from Balkans but I would like to know where exactly was manufactured. And something else: I found this amulet (?) that need translation. I know that it is not a weapon, but can anybody help me or suggest me another forum? Attached Images

17th October 2010, 10:44 AM	#2
Ron Anderson Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 228	Hi Your knife is very much like mine. See below. All I know is that mine is regarded as Ottoman Empire 19th century Turkey from Balkans area. I wouldn't mind is someone else could narrow the gap on the identification of mine too. I suspect Bosnia. But I just don' know. Mine has engraving on the blade. On the one side is a snake, on the other some wavy patterns. Attached Images

21st December 2017, 01:16 PM	#7
Sylektis Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 136	Αfter 7 years, thanks to my friend Hussein Hamdy Mahmoud Mohamed Genedy, I have a complete translation of the amulet. I prefer to upload his handwritten note. Attached Images

17th October 2010, 05:56 PM	#4
Sylektis Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 136	Thank you very much indeed Dom, you found also a connection with this forum (zulfikar...). So can we suppose that it is a warrior's amulet? Ron, can you post better pictures of yours?

17th October 2010, 10:53 PM	#6
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,620	I believe this knife is from Montenegro. There are similar examples from Boka Kotorska in Elgood's recent book on Western Balkan Arms and Armor, and there is another example, also attributed to MOntenegro in a little book by Hermann Historica called "Dolche und Messer aus dem Pesischen KulturRaum".