Spear / lance

danny1976 · 25th March 2014, 06:05 PM

This is the other lance i picked up .

Also in Holland for at least 50 years .
Total length is 1.85 m. Imo it is short but the shaft isn,t shortend so i supose the length is original.

But the origin

The first thing that raised in my brains was Nias but that is just a wild quess.. Hope someone has a idea .

regards,

Danny

VANDOO · 25th March 2014, 06:34 PM

YOU HAVE BEEN LUCKY TWO VERY NICE SPEARS AT ONE TIME.

I CAN'T BE OF MUCH HELP HERE EITHER BUT I WOULD SAY NIAS IS LIKELY A GOOD GUESS. THE PATINA IS GOOD ON THIS SPEAR AS WELL AS THE OTHER ONE AND I WOULD GUESS BOTH SPEARS WERE OLD WHEN AQUIRED BY THE COLLECTER YOU GOT THEM FROM. CONGRADULATIONS

Albert · 25th March 2014, 07:08 PM

Congratulations with this find! Very nice indeed. I had my eyes on the lot, but the photo's were too bad to make a decision. I am looking forward to the other two.

This one indeed makes me think of Nias, but not quite.
See the photo of several Nias spears (Modigliani collection, Florence, Italy).

I think this one is from Aceh, Sumatra.
The base of the blade (covered with brass instead of in one piece with the rest of the iron blade) is exceptional.

Sajen · 25th March 2014, 09:42 PM

Great catch!

asomotif · 26th March 2014, 12:11 AM

Hi Danny,

The upper part of the shaft, is it oxagonal ? (eight flattened sides ?)

Best regards,
Willem

asomotif · 28th March 2014, 08:02 PM

Ps. here a Atjeh lance with similar shape.

danny1976 · 29th March 2014, 12:18 AM

Everybody thanks for the reply's and the photo's !

Albert you are right that the photo's from the seller where not realy good but i'm glad that i did take the gamble

If i have time this weekend i Wil make photo's from the other two spears that where in the same lot .

Thanks Sajen !

Vandoo , yea the have great patin and the don't come from a collector what i always considers as something good . The seller did get this spears from his father when he was still a boy and the last 20+ years the just stand in a corner of his garage .

Willem the upper part of the shaft is not oxagonal , nice spear on youre photo is the length also around 1.85 ?

Regards,

asomotif · 30th March 2014, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny1976

Willem the upper part of the shaft is not oxagonal , nice spear on youre photo is the length also around 1.85 ?

Hello Danny,

My example is 1.70 m. But it looks like it has been slightly longer in the past.

asomotif · 4th February 2022, 09:45 PM

Last week I was lucky enough to buy an rare atjeh lance.
I was wondering where I had seen this type before. Well on the forum ofcourse :-)
I bought it from the son of the person who brought it to the Netherlands in 1923.

Maurice · 5th February 2022, 11:25 AM

Congratz Willem with your nice find.

Are the protrusions in between the brass sleeve and the lancehead a silver alloy or silver?

- Maurice -

kai · 5th February 2022, 04:19 PM

Nice example, Willem!

Quote:

Are the protrusions in between the brass sleeve and the lancehead a silver alloy or silver?

Hello Maurice,

I'd guess at brass or bronze. It does have a different hue but does not strike me as silver alloy...

Regards,
Kai

Battara · 5th February 2022, 10:24 PM

After closer examination of the photo, I'm agreeing with Kai - bronze, more likely brass based on the color of the different patinas and types of patinas.

asomotif · 6th February 2022, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maurice

Congratz Willem with your nice find.

Are the protrusions in between the brass sleeve and the lancehead a silver alloy or silver?

- Maurice -

Hello Maurice, nice to see you on the forum again.

It has a brass colour, but It was quite easy to get it shining.

Best regards,
Willem

efrahjalt · 6th February 2022, 05:43 AM

Danny,

That is a beautiful piece you have, a treasure. Thank you for posting.

I picked this one up a while back and have been meaning to do some more research on it. I knew that it must be SE Asia, but I wasn't sure where exactly it should be placed. Your post has given me a big head start so thought I would share here to add to the discussion. Looks like I should be looking at Ache.

Can you tell what type of wood the haft is? I just picked up another that I believe is Moro and it has a lovely tapered haft of palm wood (2.26M total length). I wouldn't mind giving this one a new haft at some point, but if I do I want to do it with an appropriate wood.

asomotif · 6th February 2022, 05:48 PM

Hello Efrahjalt,

That is definately an atjeh spear head you have there.
The example that I posted has a sort of rottan as a shaft.
But that is not very common.
Most atjeh lances I have seen have a dark hardwood shaft.

Best regards,
Willem

Ren Ren · 7th February 2022, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

The example that I posted has a sort of rottan as a shaft.
But that is not very common.
Most atjeh lances I have seen have a dark hardwood shaft.

Thank you, Willem!
I was very interested to learn about the shaft made of rottan. The natural materials used to make traditional weapons in Southeast Asia is a very exciting area for me.
Sincerely
Serge

Maurice · 7th February 2022, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Hello Maurice, nice to see you on the forum again.

It has a brass colour, but It was quite easy to get it shining.

Best regards,
Willem

Thank you Willem.
Very nice!

Kind regards,
Maurice

Sajen · 7th February 2022, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Last week I was lucky enough to buy an rare atjeh lance.
I was wondering where I had seen this type before. Well on the forum ofcourse :-)
I bought it from the son of the person who brought it to the Netherlands in 1923.

Hello Willem,

Very nice spear! Are the pictures from the family of the person who brought it to the Netherlands?

Regards,
Detlef

asomotif · 7th February 2022, 08:37 PM

Hello Detlef, The picture of the SS Insulinde is from internet.

The poor pictures of the spear are with my smartphone

25th March 2014, 06:05 PM	#1
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Spear / lance This is the other lance i picked up . Also in Holland for at least 50 years . Total length is 1.85 m. Imo it is short but the shaft isn,t shortend so i supose the length is original. But the origin The first thing that raised in my brains was Nias but that is just a wild quess.. Hope someone has a idea . regards, Danny Attached Images

25th March 2014, 07:08 PM	#3
Albert Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 194	Nice! Congratulations with this find! Very nice indeed. I had my eyes on the lot, but the photo's were too bad to make a decision. I am looking forward to the other two. This one indeed makes me think of Nias, but not quite. See the photo of several Nias spears (Modigliani collection, Florence, Italy). I think this one is from Aceh, Sumatra. The base of the blade (covered with brass instead of in one piece with the rest of the iron blade) is exceptional. Attached Images

28th March 2014, 08:02 PM	#6
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Ps. here a Atjeh lance with similar shape. Attached Images

4th February 2022, 09:45 PM	#9
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Another atjeh aceh lance spear Last week I was lucky enough to buy an rare atjeh lance. I was wondering where I had seen this type before. Well on the forum ofcourse :-) I bought it from the son of the person who brought it to the Netherlands in 1923. Attached Images

6th February 2022, 05:43 AM	#14
efrahjalt Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 38	Danny, That is a beautiful piece you have, a treasure. Thank you for posting. I picked this one up a while back and have been meaning to do some more research on it. I knew that it must be SE Asia, but I wasn't sure where exactly it should be placed. Your post has given me a big head start so thought I would share here to add to the discussion. Looks like I should be looking at Ache. Can you tell what type of wood the haft is? I just picked up another that I believe is Moro and it has a lovely tapered haft of palm wood (2.26M total length). I wouldn't mind giving this one a new haft at some point, but if I do I want to do it with an appropriate wood. Attached Images

25th March 2014, 06:34 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	YOU HAVE BEEN LUCKY TWO VERY NICE SPEARS AT ONE TIME. I CAN'T BE OF MUCH HELP HERE EITHER BUT I WOULD SAY NIAS IS LIKELY A GOOD GUESS. THE PATINA IS GOOD ON THIS SPEAR AS WELL AS THE OTHER ONE AND I WOULD GUESS BOTH SPEARS WERE OLD WHEN AQUIRED BY THE COLLECTER YOU GOT THEM FROM. CONGRADULATIONS

25th March 2014, 09:42 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Great catch!

26th March 2014, 12:11 AM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Hi Danny, The upper part of the shaft, is it oxagonal ? (eight flattened sides ?) Best regards, Willem

29th March 2014, 12:18 AM	#7
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Everybody thanks for the reply's and the photo's ! Albert you are right that the photo's from the seller where not realy good but i'm glad that i did take the gamble If i have time this weekend i Wil make photo's from the other two spears that where in the same lot . Thanks Sajen ! Vandoo , yea the have great patin and the don't come from a collector what i always considers as something good . The seller did get this spears from his father when he was still a boy and the last 20+ years the just stand in a corner of his garage . Willem the upper part of the shaft is not oxagonal , nice spear on youre photo is the length also around 1.85 ? Regards,

5th February 2022, 11:25 AM	#10
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,346	Congratz Willem with your nice find. Are the protrusions in between the brass sleeve and the lancehead a silver alloy or silver? - Maurice -

5th February 2022, 10:24 PM	#12
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	After closer examination of the photo, I'm agreeing with Kai - bronze, more likely brass based on the color of the different patinas and types of patinas.

6th February 2022, 05:48 PM	#15
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Hello Efrahjalt, That is definately an atjeh spear head you have there. The example that I posted has a sort of rottan as a shaft. But that is not very common. Most atjeh lances I have seen have a dark hardwood shaft. Best regards, Willem

7th February 2022, 08:37 PM	#19
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Hello Detlef, The picture of the SS Insulinde is from internet. The poor pictures of the spear are with my smartphone