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Old 11th June 2011, 09:01 PM   #1
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Default Interesting SEA knife for ID 'Parang Bengkok'

Think it's Sumartran again.
Lovely quality and condition though. Original collectors notes called it a 'Parang Bengkok'
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Old 11th June 2011, 11:59 PM   #2
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Hi Gene,

I like these kind of handles, but they are also made still today, and not only for tourists.
They're made today with very good and sharp blades also....

I don't think this one is an antique one, but my silat friends love these kind of pieces....
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Old 12th June 2011, 12:13 AM   #3
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There was a company some 10 years ago that was making a lot of contemporary Indo edged weapons with this and other anthropomorphic style handles; some pamor blades also .
I believe they were called Valiant .

Try a google image search; valiant parang .
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Old 12th June 2011, 12:21 AM   #4
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There was a company some 10 years ago that was making a lot of contemporary Indo edged weapons with this and other anthropomorphic style handles; some pamor blades also .
I believe they were called Valiant .

Try a google image search; valiant parang .
Yes, Suwandi from Valiant indeed. I know him.
Good sharp fighting blades. The same swords with pamor where a bit more expensive as the plain iron ones.

Very nice guy BTW!
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Old 12th June 2011, 12:24 AM   #5
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Very nice work too !
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Old 12th June 2011, 12:28 AM   #6
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I've had several of Suwandi's swords hidden through the whole house before I was collecting antiques, ready for use when burglars would enter my house...

Now I have mandaus to chop their heads... ;-)
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Old 12th June 2011, 12:28 AM   #7
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Hullo again everybody!

Gene, what you have there is a type of sickle I would refer to as a more common form of Koedjang Bikang Lolong or simply as Arit ( I believe the Oerang Kanekes would refer to it simply as a koedjang). It also looks recent, no older than around 1950s. The handle is what is now commonly known by the Soenda as Perah Sirah Tjepot.

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Old 12th June 2011, 10:38 AM   #8
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Hullo again everybody!

Gene, what you have there is a type of sickle I would refer to as a more common form of Koedjang Bikang Lolong or simply as Arit ( I believe the Oerang Kanekes would refer to it simply as a koedjang). It also looks recent, no older than around 1950s. The handle is what is now commonly known by the Soenda as Perah Sirah Tjepot.

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HI Amuk,
Excellent, always nice to know an items name, thank you.
May I ask what purpose they serve?
Your dating is actually good news, as it fits with what I was told when I bought these pieces. The later ones were indicated as having been collected circa 1950.
The only evidence I have for this is a dated Golok (one of about ten goloks and knives all of very similar style and obvious age in the collection, but the only one that I bought)....
I'll start a thread for it, as I need a translation
Thanks again
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Old 13th June 2011, 06:21 AM   #9
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Default For comparison, my "Kujang Bikang"

Fascinating blade shape on these. I understand that kujangs were carried by pawang (medicine man) and thought to have magical powers. For your consideration, here is my kujang bikang for comparison. The blade measures 7 1/2" and 1/4" thick hand-forged spring steel. It is fully etched or engraved on both sides. It also has a 5" sharpened false-edge, fileworks; sharpened and hardened. The handle is 2 colors hardwood ("Sonokeling") with a mild steel ring. The sheath is stained hardwood, with a carved dragon in light varnish. The overall length is 13 1/4". Recent manufacture.
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Old 13th June 2011, 07:26 AM   #10
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Hullo DaveA,

Looks like it could have been made by the boys at Tjiwidej, Bandoeng. I'd say no earlier than 1960s.
BTW ..... 'pawang' is not really a Soenda word but to the Soenda its equivalent is 'malim', 'one who tames wild creatures'.
As for magical powers, well ..... that's a whole new ball-game.

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Old 13th June 2011, 11:31 PM   #11
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Excellent information, thank you Amuk!
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