Arabic swords , Wootz Persian ? Ottoman , Saudi Saif??

phil.reid · 29th February 2020, 12:37 AM

Hello Chaps, First time on here
Just purchased these 2 Arabic? swords. Not an area im really across but they were sooo pretty had to buy, saw them 8 months ago in a collection and kicking myself for not grabbing then as they had some new storage rust which has damaged the wootz surface. If anyone is able to help me with these? region, dating, script (bone material ??) Id greatly appreciate!
Many thanks in advance for your expertise and happy to post other photos if required ( tried to cover as best i could on a rainy Perth day)
cheers
Phil

Battara · 29th February 2020, 04:27 AM

I would say that for sure the blade with the cartouches looks to be a Persian trade blade at least.

Drabant1701 · 29th February 2020, 09:43 AM

Very nice! I really like the chiseled crossguard on the top one. Imo they are both persian, ivory hilts, 18th century and for sure wootz both of them

mariusgmioc · 29th February 2020, 01:27 PM

Both Persian Shamshirs, but their age is uncertain.

They are both in need of some cleaning and etching and then you may know more based on the quality of the wootz.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21732

Kubur · 29th February 2020, 02:40 PM

Yes maybe 19th c. The one with the golden cartouches is very good.

phil.reid · 1st March 2020, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Both Persian Shamshirs, but their age is uncertain.

They are both in need of some cleaning and etching and then you may know more based on the quality of the wootz.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21732

Thanks for the advice on cleaning, very helpful

29th February 2020, 12:37 AM	#1
phil.reid Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 60	Arabic swords , Wootz Persian ? Ottoman , Saudi Saif?? Hello Chaps, First time on here Just purchased these 2 Arabic? swords. Not an area im really across but they were sooo pretty had to buy, saw them 8 months ago in a collection and kicking myself for not grabbing then as they had some new storage rust which has damaged the wootz surface. If anyone is able to help me with these? region, dating, script (bone material ??) Id greatly appreciate! Many thanks in advance for your expertise and happy to post other photos if required ( tried to cover as best i could on a rainy Perth day) cheers Phil Attached Images

29th February 2020, 04:27 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I would say that for sure the blade with the cartouches looks to be a Persian trade blade at least.

29th February 2020, 09:43 AM	#3
Drabant1701 Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Sweden Posts: 181	Very nice! I really like the chiseled crossguard on the top one. Imo they are both persian, ivory hilts, 18th century and for sure wootz both of them

29th February 2020, 01:27 PM	#4
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Both Persian Shamshirs, but their age is uncertain. They are both in need of some cleaning and etching and then you may know more based on the quality of the wootz. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21732

29th February 2020, 02:40 PM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Yes maybe 19th c. The one with the golden cartouches is very good.