Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 5th January 2023, 03:55 AM   #1
Nicknz
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 5
Default Knife Identification

I have attached a couple of photos of a knife I found amongst an uncles possession when he passed several years ago. I didn't know he had it so I was never able to ask him about where he got it from. He travelled widely over the course of his life and spent time in South Africa, India (managing a tea plantation) and Cambodia/Thailand. I have made inquiries over the years but have never been able to pin down the origin of the knife, although i think it is possible he acquired it when he he was in India. I understand the tea plantation he worked on was somewhere in the Assam area. The knife itself is quite plain, with no markings on it. It is about 38cm (14") in length and weighs about 40 grams (14ozs). The wooden sheath/scabbard is quite nicely made and secured with what appear to be copper rivets. I think it is just a daily working tool as opposed to anything special.
Any thoughts or information re it's possible place of origin would be much appreciated.
Attached Images
  
Nicknz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th January 2023, 02:58 PM   #2
Ian
Vikingsword Staff
 
Ian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Aussie Bush
Posts: 4,207
Default

This knife comes from the Cocos-Keeling islands in the Indian Ocean. The sparsely populated islands are part of Australia and are owned by the Clunies-Ross family. A British presence on the islands during WWII led to a number of these knives eventually finding their way on to the market. I'm told they were produced by a couple of generations of the same family.

You can find more on these knives by searching this site for "Cocos Keeling."
Ian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th January 2023, 08:22 PM   #3
Nicknz
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 5
Default

Thanks for that Ian - mystery solved. My uncle worked on Air Sea Rescue Launches in the Pacific in WW2 although I don't know if he would have ended up on the Cocos Islands. I think he was in the Solomons.
It makes you wonder if the source of the blades could have been from the remains of the German cruiser SMS Emden after it ran ashore on the Cocos Islands following its battle with the RAN cruiser Sydney.
According to Wikipedia the Emden was apparently only broken up for scrap by a Japanese company in the 1950's and there are still bits of it lying around on the Island.
Nicknz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th January 2023, 10:11 PM   #4
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,127
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian View Post
This knife comes from the Cocos-Keeling islands in the Indian Ocean. The sparsely populated islands are part of Australia and are owned by the Clunies-Ross family. A British presence on the islands during WWII led to a number of these knives eventually finding their way on to the market. I'm told they were produced by a couple of generations of the same family.
A very cool knife.
It looks like the Clunies-Ross family have not owned the islands since 1979.
"In the 1970s, the Australian government's dissatisfaction with the Clunies-Ross feudal style of rule of the island increased. In 1978, Australia forced the family to sell the islands for the sum of A$6,250,000, using the threat of compulsory acquisition. By agreement, the family retained ownership of Oceania House, their home on the island. In 1983, the Australian government reneged on this agreement and told John Clunies-Ross that he should leave the Cocos. The following year the High Court of Australia ruled that resumption of Oceania House was unlawful, but the Australian government ordered that no government business was to be granted to Clunies-Ross's shipping company, an action that contributed to his bankruptcy.[41] John Clunies-Ross later moved to Perth, Western Australia. However, some members of the Clunies-Ross family still live on the Cocos."
David is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th January 2023, 05:45 PM   #5
kronckew
Member
 
kronckew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Room 101, Glos. UK
Posts: 4,186
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicknz View Post
...
It makes you wonder if the source of the blades could have been from the remains of the German cruiser SMS Emden after it ran ashore on the Cocos Islands following its battle with the RAN cruiser Sydney.
...
I have a couple of these, they come in various sizes. They are very distinctive looking, and you can tell their origin at a glance. There was a Malay family of blacksmiths that made these, and they indeed used steel taken from the Emden, which was easily accessible. They are well-made, too. Troopships frequently stopped there & they were a popular souvenir. The story of the battle adds greatly to their provenance.


RAN History <-link
WIKI Version <-link
Attached Images
 
kronckew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th January 2023, 11:21 AM   #6
ausjulius
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: musorian territory
Posts: 424
Default

the cocos island knives always cause confusion, ive called around on the island but its hard to get information. i was told the best place to get info will be the cocos island facebook group. there is most likely people alive today that made such knives up until the late 70s or early 80s. from pictures ive seen the knives are still common on the islands. there was once a blacksmiths shop on the home island as well
ausjulius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th January 2023, 01:16 PM   #7
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,790
Default

Here two from my collection.
Attached Images
 
Sajen is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:22 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.