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A short time ago in the 'unusual katar' thread, a five bladed katar was posted, and there was mention of the cult known as the 'thuggee'.This dreaded cult preyed upon travellers as they carried out robbing and murders according to 'ritual' and worship of the Hindu goddess Kali (to them she was known as Bhowanee). While the cults origins are vague, and extend to early times, they were little known until thier depradations caught the attention of occupying British forces about the end of the 18th century.
A primary instrument in these 'rituals' was to bury the bodies of the victim, using a ritually consecrated pickaxe, which became virtually a hallmark of this strange cult. As far as I know, none of these pickaxes have ever been seen or illustrated, and I have only vague recollection of the scene in "Gunga Din" where the British commander held an axe and pronounced that it was a 'thuggee' axe. Naturally there is little hope for even remote accuracy from a movie scene, but it certainly aroused my curiosity. I am hoping that perhaps someone might have thoughts on what one of these carefully fashioned pickaxes might have looked like. The narratives do not tell particulars in shape or dimension, however they do detail the methods in which these were received and carried, and that a great deal of ceremony surrounded them. One item noted that seven red spots were to be placed on the axe, from 'head to point'. Best regards, Jim |
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So I continued to do some further research, and discovered some information that some might find interesting.
"...and the deep grave from which they dug them with thier sharp busy claws bore marks of the mystic pickaxe of the thuggee:. from " A Geographical Reader" James Johonnot, 1882 Even Charles Dickens found this cult interesting, and in an article in "All the Year Round" (Feb.21,1885, p.475) wrote, "...when the pickaxe was made, great precautions were taken that no shadow might fall upon it before it had consecrated and render it useless". "..seven crimson spots were then put on it". Further, "...the pickaxe was a fetish, or holy thing. When buried in the earth, it would turn and point in the direction an expedition ought to take. An oath sword on it was inviolable". In "the Thugs: The Myths of the Cult of Kali" (Dec. 11, 2007) John Walsh writes, "...the corpse would be tucked away in a rectangular grave swiftly dug with a special short handled pickaxe that all thugs carried. It is a curious thing that the same kind of pickaxe was issued to the soldiers fighting in WWI and these were used to dig the inordinately lengthy trench systems". In further writing concerning the grandson of the British official who had suppressed the thuggee, Sir William Sleeman, it is noted that the pickaxe was shaped like an adze, five pounds in weight and seven inches in length, it had one point, was called a 'kussee' and given into the charge of the shrewdest thug in the gang. Its wooden handle was thrown away after its use, so the axe could be carried in the waistbelt. Apparantly over seventy years after the events involving Sir William Sleeman, his grandson was involved in testing in India which resulted in the entrenching tool which ended up being issued to British forces in WWI. The article I read claims that he was unaware of the thuggee pickaxes , which seems unlikely and surprisingly coincidental, especially in that it is emphasized that the tool was remarkably similar to the thug 'kussee'. It seems that seven inches would be a terribly small haft for a tool with which to dig effectively, and as it notes the handles were thrown away and the axes were often buried etc. perhaps this is why none seem to exist. It would seem that an implement as pronounced in the rituals of this cult might have been captured by those who infiltrated them and preserved as souveniers. |
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Fascinating stuff Jim!
Perhaps the 7 inch length mentioned was the head lenght not the haft though? axes are often described that way. Seems even more likley if hafts were cut when needed? particularily if the heads were that heavy, I would think. But pure conjecture of course. I wonder if there are any old Thuggee collections in museams in UK or India? Spiral |
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Just found this picture Jim! This one looks like a claw though.
Spiral THUGGEE CHIEF 1843 Chief of the Thugs, captured by Captain Vallancey in Arcot disguised as a traveller's escort Date: 1843 |
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Thank you so much for responding Spiral!
Very good point on the length noted, and I wonder on the 5 pound weight as well. This seems pretty heavy, but I have surprised on the actual weight of many swords too. A rapier looks pretty light until you actually handle one! Great picture you posted, I was looking everywhere to find any kind of an illustratiion showing the much discussed pickaxe, but couldnt find one. Well done!! and much appreciated. I have been hoping that someone might have information on possible groupings of thuggee items, maybe the National Army Museum in London might have something. They've always been extremely helpful over the years in my constant questions on British swords. I realize this topic will likely not bring much interest here, but I've always enjoyed going after esoteric topics, so thank you so much for joining me. All very best regards, Jim |
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You've captured my interest Jim .
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Thank you so much Rick!!! I recall you always did have keen interest in Indian and Central Asian esoterica.
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Thanks Jim !
![]() I wonder how accurate the depictions of the weapons in that old engraving are ? If you are digging a hole you don't want something with an acute point; a point yes, but acute as shown in the engraving ?!?!? ![]() There's got to be a photo of one out there somewhere .... |
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I agree Rick, and I suspect that the illustration are the product of the artists imaging of a 'pickaxe' drawn from assumption rather than an actual example. While it is exciting to see a period illustration, it is unlikely from an actual example, which seem pretty elusive.
I would think that for digging, the point would be wide across for penetrating and moving the soil. It is suggested that these were much like the trenching axes used by British forces in WWI, so maybe if we can find an example of one of those we might have some idea. Thanks again Rick for coming in on this! We'll keep looking ![]() All the best, Jim |
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Yes Rick, Jim, I agree that with old ingravings accuracy varies so much, but the tulwar grip in that one looks a bit unusual! so artistic licence may play a part.Looks like a form of Zaghnal almost.
Heres the ww1 Brit. entrenching tool ![]() I have the head from one, Id guess the head weighs about 24oz max., it is very effective for digging through roots & hard clay soil etc. Spiral |
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Thanks very much Spiral. I figured if anybody were to locate one of these British entrenching axes it would be you
![]() The shape of the head on this entrenching tool seems more in line with what I picture with the thuggee form with more of a claw type shape (without the shovel of course ![]() All the best, Jim |
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as a slight aside, the head of the ww1 entrenching tool was dismountable for storage, a cast steel mace head was also supplied that could be used in it's place for trench warfare.
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Thanks very much Kronckew! that looks like a serious headache maker! It seems like it is similar to something that came up on a recent thread discussing some of the mace type weapons hafted with sword hilts in India. In discussing many of these I think we are reminded of the thin line parallel between weapons and tools.
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weapons are after all, just a type of tool. something politicians tend to forget. the only thing separating it from any other hunk of steel is the mind using it...
entrenching tools themselves (at least the shovel types, as far as i know) were frequently used as trench warfare tools, a sharpened edge was as good as a sword. the russian spetznast are fond of throwing sharpened entrenching tools even today.... ![]() |
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The old movie "Gunga Din" with Cary Grant and Victor McLaglen has some very interesting weapons. It shows the "thugs" using a double pick like a 2 sided zaghnal. Worth a look.
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The Cold Steel company makes a very high quality copy of the Soviet Spetznast shovel. They sell for less than $20 and are very handy. I put one in all our vehicles. bbjw |
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Revisiting old threads thought I'd add this.
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Looks like the prop dept. whittled a point on the haft of a std. pick-adze
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Found essentially no reference to thuggee picks, except one photo.
There were references to their weapons being the strangling cloth, for ritual murders. They carried katars for personal defence weapons. They were taught to murder by strangling as a murder that shed blood required the death penalty, but one that didn't shed blood only required non-lethal punishments. |
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It's been over a decade since I read this title, and it was a very fascinating read.
Within, and given how long it has been, but I don't recall any weapon used or implied... if the title can be found on google books or Jstor or similar, you may be able to do a word search within... would be a quicker way to obtain key information. Gavin |
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We can read it at Project Gutenberg:
Thug Or a million murders <-link Didn't note in it any weapons mentioned for their murders, tho it noted in one place that in a group of 40 thugs, only three people carried a sword or dagger, they used a cloth sash for killing their victims. |
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Also, elbows to left side of the body to break the short ribs and push them into the spleen may have been a method. It apparently is a very effective in a crowd. The victim doesn't die immediately but lingers for several days as they bleed internally, and it is hard to see who the assassin is. This tidbit was related to me by an internalist who was trying to convince me to go to the hospital after I broke a bunch of ribs.
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Thank you so much guys! Gav, I really appreciate you sharing that title and the photo! You have always been a fantastic book sleuth and the titles you have found in building your library always amazed me!
It has been many years since I did this research, and what I had found on the axes was that these were not at all used in murdering victims but actually ceremonially used the burial of the victims. It seems these 'thuggee' were nominally religious, and supposedly factored in the Hindu Faith and worship of the Goddess Kali. Actually they typically disguised themselves in accord with the contexts they were in, feigning various Faiths, but the element of their practices with religious ceremony and Kali created the situation with axes. In some of the apocrypha on the thuggee, it was said that they made a pickaxe which was done ceremonially following dogma oriented steps, which involved blessings of the tool, painting of symbolic red dots etc. These were used for the burial process, and having to do with the victim supposedly having been a ritual sacrifice. Naturally these ritualistic 'followers' of Kali, seem to have been overshadowed in many cases by common 'dacoits' (=bandits) who were simply highwaymen who seem to have been factored collectively into this designation, or perhaps self styled themselves into the collective identity of thuggee..........that is 'posers'. It has been said, as I recall, that no examples of the thuggee axe have ever been found, and that these individuals disposed on them in much the same ceremony as with which they were made. It would seem that the film "Gunga Din" had this 'legend' of the 'thuggee' as its main plot, and perhaps the material was from the Sleeman book? I found a book titled "Thug: The True Sory of Indias Murderous Cult" by Mike Dash , 2005 as well. |
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Yes, the 'sacred' pick-axe was for burying the dead, but not used to kill them, as was implied by the film referenced in the earlier post.
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Worth a read and perhaps better keyword searches within the museum and other UK museums might turn up something
Scroll down to "Crime and paranoia in London and India". The the period model within the article shows the murders by strangulation and the grave being dug with the picks. https://www.britishmuseum.org/exhibi...ting-histories The model from 7 angles. https://www.britishmuseum.org/collec..._As1847-0630-6 Links provided as I have not read the terms of use for images. On Kali; https://www.britishmuseum.org/exhibi...ution/timeline Something I ponder within the notes from the museum is what Kali Symbolised post India conquest, being anti-colonial resistance. Given the period and the "heyday" of the Thugee rising during colonial times.... Whilst only "opportunity" was targeted more than colonial occupation, does their cult and acts interplay with this resistance as much as what we already know from literature? Not noted as Thugee but of the form in the engraving https://www.britishmuseum.org/collec...ject/A_As-9661 Last edited by Gavin Nugent; 18th June 2023 at 01:49 AM. |
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