Moro twisted core and Turkish Ribbon

Flavio · 24th August 2007, 10:26 AM

Hi all, I wonder if anyone can tell me more about the similarities between the moro twisted core pattern on some kriss and the "turkish ribbon" on some yatagans. Thank you

Richard Furrer · 24th August 2007, 02:46 PM

Flavio,
If you are looking for a cultural exchange that shows an original "inventor" and spread of technique then you will find nothing.
Given the time and a large enough sample body many techniques thought invented by one culture will show up in another...that same is true of pattern-welded patterns.

Ric

Flavio · 24th August 2007, 06:00 PM

Hello Richard,

first of all, thank you for your reply, second sorry for my first unclear post

Yes i'm agree with you that is very difficult, if not impossible, that were be a cultural exchange beetween moro and turkish smiths. My question is more on tecnique: is only the final result similar or also the techniques are the same? Thank you

Lee · 24th August 2007, 09:10 PM

I believe the basic technique is essentially the same: twisted rods of stacked contrasting materials, and is seen as well in some Chinese sabers and in European materials from Celtic to Viking Age. Variation may be seen in how deeply the twisted rod is ground away: herringbone is seen at the periphery and "stars" at the core and in the size and composition of the rods. More on that is here. I will try and get some pictures up this weekend, for now here are two.

Flavio · 25th August 2007, 03:19 AM

Thank you very much Lee

rand · 25th August 2007, 05:24 AM

Hey Lee,

Totally agree with you... That Fimo File was great, you can how a pattern can be developed.

Thanks,

rand

24th August 2007, 10:26 AM	#1
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Moro twisted core and Turkish Ribbon Hi all, I wonder if anyone can tell me more about the similarities between the moro twisted core pattern on some kriss and the "turkish ribbon" on some yatagans. Thank you

25th August 2007, 05:24 AM	#6
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 538	Fimo file Hey Lee, Totally agree with you... That Fimo File was great, you can how a pattern can be developed. Thanks, rand

24th August 2007, 02:46 PM	#2
Richard Furrer Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin Posts: 163	Flavio, If you are looking for a cultural exchange that shows an original "inventor" and spread of technique then you will find nothing. Given the time and a large enough sample body many techniques thought invented by one culture will show up in another...that same is true of pattern-welded patterns. Ric

24th August 2007, 06:00 PM	#3
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hello Richard, first of all, thank you for your reply, second sorry for my first unclear post Yes i'm agree with you that is very difficult, if not impossible, that were be a cultural exchange beetween moro and turkish smiths. My question is more on tecnique: is only the final result similar or also the techniques are the same? Thank you

24th August 2007, 09:10 PM	#4
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 914	I believe the basic technique is essentially the same: twisted rods of stacked contrasting materials, and is seen as well in some Chinese sabers and in European materials from Celtic to Viking Age. Variation may be seen in how deeply the twisted rod is ground away: herringbone is seen at the periphery and "stars" at the core and in the size and composition of the rods. More on that is here. I will try and get some pictures up this weekend, for now here are two.

25th August 2007, 03:19 AM	#5
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you very much Lee